‘Looks at perfectly functional Galaxy Watch 3 on my wrist’
Bad headline. They’re sunsetting Tizen for watches, but not other products.
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This is a huge problem for Samsung. This is proof they cannot maintain an OS, making them further dependent on Google. They chose a Linux compatible toolkit (EFL from Enlightenment) and tried making their own OS. It was terrible and filled with security holes.
I think they should rebase Tizen on PostMarketOS, as I don’t believe Samsung can create their own base.
I used to develop smart TV apps, and Tizen / Orsay (older SS TV OS) we an absolute nightmare to develop for. LG’s Web OS, and Android TV were so easy in comparison.
Perfect, now Google can kill Wear OS without fear of tizen taking it all.
Mission accomplished!
Are they going to allow me to reflash it with whatever i want tho?
haha ha haaaaa
No. Why? Because, duck you, that’s why.
Can we get Louis rossman onto it?
A problem I deftly sidestepped by avoiding “smart” watches altogether.
Garmin watches are semi-smart and have great sensors. My Epix 2 Sapphire runs for 11 days on a charge as well.
Tried a Pixel, returned it for refund. Don’t use iPhone or Samsung phone so their bespoke software wouldn’t work for me.
Garmin Instinct 2 Solar gives me 31 days on a full charge if it doesn’t get any sunlight. It is smart enough to vibrate me awake without waking my partner and receive notifications, no matter what Android/iOS phone I use.
What were your main gripes with the Pixel watch?
Now your comment has piqued my curiosity…I never considered a bigger smartwatch, and have kept myselft mostly to the Xiaomi band, which does more or less what I need it to…But I’m now curious how well does a Garmin cover the main points for me: -Read messages from SMS, Whatsapp, Telegram, etc (can I also reply to them, maybe voice-type or similar?) -Obviously tracking fitness, routes, heart rate and sleep etc it is probably way bounds out of the miband’s league. -Can it pair to a headphone and use it to play music during a fitness run? Does it have esim support or similar to use data? (these are a clear no-no on the miband, but then again, heh…about 25 bucks it costed me!).
- Can read messages. On Android can reply with canned responses set up in the Connect app
- GPS tracking during workouts without having to have phone within range, has heart rate, sleep tracking and more
- Instinct can control media (play/pause/skip) when phone is in range, though the Forerunner music can store music to play via Bluetooth headphones
- No LTE/eSIM support on any of them that I know of
- Best feature for me by far is the time is always visible and in fact is even more visible in direct sunlight
Hmmm the music storage… How does it work? Can you just send an mp3? Or does it need to be from a specific service? Bummer about the esim, I was wanting to rid of the phone while I’m out running.
Download songs and playlists from your Spotify, Deezer or Amazon Music accounts for phone-free listening.
So it seems it is specifically those services I found more info here
Awesome… Thanks! On second thought i think I’ll hold out about the esim part. I can control the privacy on my phone decently enough but that would fly out of the window if the smart watch can call home on its own.
I have mine working with Navidrone without any issues.
At the launch a lot of the features like sleep tracking were paywalled behind Fitbit, and you had to use Fitbit instead of Google Fit which I had been using.
After a week of using the Fitbit app I just found it annoying and pushed the social media aspect far too much for my liking. It felt more like a Fitbit than an Android Watch and that’s not what I was looking for.
Prior to trying the Pixel I had an LG Watch Sport that I really enjoyed.
The Garmin while it lacks the ability to do things like control smart lights or integrate heavily into phone controls like the Pixel Watch did, its battery life is amazing, the sensors are great, it gets the alerts I need from the phone, and I’ve actually become very very fond of the gimmicky flashlight that’s built in.
I can easily export health and data to CSVs, and move it if I want to.
The full offline map capabilities are also big if I go backpacking.
There is a Home Assistant app for Garmin watches that is pretty usable. The flashlight is surpassingly, hilariously, one of my favorite features though.
Another vote for Garmin, wearing a Descent mk2i as my daily and dive computer. Two weeks on a charge, all the tracking I could ask for. It’s big, but so am I so it doesn’t look ridiculous.
What phone do you use, if I may ask?
A Pixel, minor gripes with it. I’m considering a Samsung for my next one though, last non-pixel or Nexus phone I’ve used was a Samsung Note 2 over a decade ago.
Oh dang.
Massive congratulations
I mean LOOK at everyone in this thread. “Muh TerribleCo SlaveBuilt 4 is only a week old and they’ve stopped pushing updates and the battery doesn’t last the whole day anymore I have to charge it at lunch.”
“What’s it for?” “Text messages hit by brain 4 seconds faster.”
Everyone? Well let me be a change then. I love my smart watch. It vibrating wakes me up easier than alarm. Step and sleep tracking is really useful to me. While a gimmick sure, I really enjoy being able to update and change my watch face on a whim. Even with always on display, constant heart rate tracking and step tracking, my watch easily lasts 48 hours and charges within an hour while I’m in the bathroom getting ready in the morning. I get it’s not for everyone but far cheaper than a Rolex and way more functionality.
There’s not a vendor out there I trust with an always on internet connected EKG on my wrist.
Cool, good for you.
I don’t really give a shit who knows whether my heartbeat is irregular.
damn I mean I agree with you I think they’re mostly dumb and haven’t recovered from my loss of pebble but what an appropriate handle
You trying to say my username checks out? Yeah.
I loved my Fossil watch. And eventually I switched over to iPhone (which was a painful transition but 95% fine now), and Apple Watch is fantastic.
I also hear the Garmin ones are really nice.
I like my Bangle.js 2.
Me too. I don’t see the point. My life is already full of distractions and I bet the batteries in those are hard to replace when they inevitably don’t hold charge any more.
Buy g-shock, know time. Good.
They’re useful for people with sleep issues, and people who are trying to get fit or lose weight. The sleep and fitness tracking features are great for statistic nerds like me. Or people with a heart condition who don’t want to carry a bulky ECG machine with them everywhere. But if you fall into neither of those categories, I can understand why you would say such a thing.
I don’t go anywhere without my smartwatch. Only time I take it off is to shower and charge. Owning one has improved my life for the better. For example, I found out that I have sleep apnea because of my watch. And I can track whether or not my workouts are burning muscle or fat, and adjust accordingly.
Samsung switched from Tizen to WearOS literally 4 months after I got my Galaxy watch 2. That was annoying. $200 is way too much to spend on such a short-lived product.
I mean, Fossil ended support for my Gen 5 a while back and… It still works. I mean, I mostly use it as an alarm and “ability to feel my phone vibrate when ringing” machine but it still operates…
Until it doesn’t, I guess. The battery life is already shit and I’m jealous of my partner’s Garmin.
Garmin is the way to go.
Their hybrid models are chefs kiss
Garmin did the same thing with Forerunner. They stopped software support 6 months after release of 220, and the very moment 235 was released. Their tech support’s answer to any problem was “do a factory reset”. And yet they are still considered one of the best brands for navigation and sports.
Still fine with my Pixel Watch I got for free with my Pixel 7P.
I would have never get a smart watch though. Not my jam.Similar thing happened to me. Bought a bunch of watch faces too, only to discover that none of them would transfer over when I got a new watch.
Pebble all over again.
I’m just not getting a smartwatch. I don’t even trust Apple to keep supporting their watches after a couple of years.
Built-in obsolescence is bad enough. At the very least, these things should work until the hardware dies. Nope. Not anymore.
Pebble is still going pretty well though, so I don’t know if that’s a good comparison
Apart from a lack of an app store or online services…
I’m still using an Apple Watch 3 that I got in a bundle with my iPhone X from my telco.
I need to charge it twice a day for ~30 minutes each, but it’s still chugging along.
I think I’ll finally upgrade to the new generation this year, but at that point it will be 7 years old - which is commendable for tech.
Sure, but how long until Apple does a whole new OS for their watch and stops supporting the old watches that can’t run it?
There are a lot of legitimate reasons to hate on Apple, but not supporting their products long-term is not one of them.
Eventually they stop providing new OS updates, but they don’t brick/abandon devices.
Hell, I turned on my old iPhone 5 recently for the first time in over a decade and it happily connected to Apple’s servers and updated to the last supported OS version.
Even now that my Apple Watch isn’t receiving any more major OS updates, it can still interact with my up-to-date iPhone 14 without any issues.
I agree that’s true… for now. But when every other company is doing it?
If/when it happens, so be it - I’ll eat crow. But for the time being, Apple at least has long set/surpassed the standard for support lifetimes.
At some point, you just have to have a little bit of faith that not every company is going to immediately screw you over the first chance they get; otherwise you’ll never end up buying anything (new or otherwise), with the fear that the moment you do - they’ll drop support.
I mean, some companies do deserve that level of scepticism - but honestly, for all their other faults Apple is not one of them.
At some point, you just have to have a little bit of faith that not every company is going to immediately screw you over the first chance they ge
We’re talking about the same company that sold a monitor stand for $1000, right?
Well, at least you can expect it to be a long supported, overpriced accessory! 🤣
the watches still work fine with an old OS. my son uses my old watch gen 1. it just doesn’t have all the new features or whatever
I just get a miband every two generations.
Perfectly? Your battery really lasting all day long? I gave up my 3 last year as unless I started making compromises, I could not get a full day without charging (mind you I’m an up very early and bed very late person, so it’s a long day I was asking for).
Yep, mine still lasts 2 days if I push it, though Ive been plonking it on its puck every morning while I get up since I got it at launch, its only ever dropped below 20% a handful of times. Sure ive been charging it more than most, but it doesnt do full battery cycles per charge so its lasted longer
46MM Galaxy Watch here and I can get 24H or sometimes a bit more provided I switch it to night mode when I’m sleeping. Still using AOD, cont HR monitor etc. Yeah, this old thing is getting long in the tooth, but I came to it from WearOS, really don’t want to go back.
Not a lot is appealing to me in the smartwatch market currently. Good for my wallet, I suppose.
Is this the norm for smart watches? I just bought my first one, a Redmi watch 3 active, 6 days ago and still haven’t charged it yet (just got to 18%.)
There’s no way I’d put up with another device that I have to charge every day.
Depends. My Garmin goes for close to a week but my galaxy 6 barely makes 20h. I don’t run anything fancy on it other than enabling always on screen. I won’t compromise on that as I think it’s ridiculous to have to shake your arm to see what time it is.
Yeah, Garmin has been by far the best for me for battery life.
To a degree it depends on settings. But consider that I’ve been using this watch for 5 years or so, and I have all my settings more or less “maxed out” regarding consumption. I don’t even have auto-brightness on because I always found it annoying for it to adjust when I flicked my wrist - I just have it locked at about 80%.
But yeah, most smartwatches that I’ve ever been familiar with are getting a couple days when new unless you turn off features. (Bear in mind the newest thing I have first-hand experience with is my original Galaxy Watch, and which I am currently still wearing) I want to say I was making it 48h + when new, but that was so long ago…
For typical smartwatches when I see impressive claims regarding battery life much longer than that, it usually turns out that the person has turned off one thing or another that I don’t want to turn off.
Look at Hybrid smartwatches in general, and in particular some of the Garmin models (pack a lunch, there are a LOT of Garmin models, some very similar to each other) for super long battery life, I think.
All this is just IME, and I don’t pay really close attention to smartwatch tech except peeking every couple years to see if there’s anything that might convince me to move on from my Galaxy Watch. I do like some of the Garmin hybrid models, but I’m not sure I’d like them longterm.
It depends. Wear OS is heavy because it’s much more feature filled. I switched from a Garmin to a Galaxy Watch 4 because the feature set of Wear OS fits my use case much more than the Vivoactive 4 I had.
I have the OG 46 mm (since its launch) and still charge it only about every 3 days.
Mostly use it to track steps, check time (obviously) and skip songs on my phone.
That’s suprising to hear for me. I got a HUAWEI smartwatch and its battery lasted about two weeks.
That’s also surprising as I had an older Huawei and it could not last more than 24h
Casio gang report in!
Casio Is GOD TIER
Available in gold.
F91W will never not be supported
I remember Samsung trying to run a WWDC-like conference in San Francisco many years ago. They were offering free Tizen watches as enticement for developers to show up (AppleWatch devs had to buy their own). None of the professional mobile devs I knew back then said they would go.
As Microsoft found out with WindowsPhone, it’s really hard to get traction if you’re third.
Tbf that’s because Microsoft got in bed with Nokia and gave the finger to everyone else
They also didn’t treat devs very well. A lot of folks pulled their apps or let them die on the vine instead of having to majorly replatform to support the latest versions of their mobile OS.
This made their App Store go from mediocre to downright anemic.
MS died after Steve Ballmer era CMV
IMHO, he wasn’t great, but I feel like the their software has really gone downhill since he left. All they do is shuffle chairs, reorg - not ship.
That said, Ballmer didn’t do a great job with the early days of digital music and mobile. He mocked a lot of that stuff, then was forced to get into those games way too late.
Furtunately (at least for the users), gadgetbridge exists.
Aren’t smart watches almost universally bricked by default unless you undergo an online activation, sharing all kinds of personal information?
I’m stuck on miband 3, since it’s the last model sold unlocked.
Well, or mi unlock, where you need to share your e-mail and phone number. You can’t do anything about it anymore.
Huawei watches support gadgetbridge and don’t have vendor pair.
LOL! And that is why I didn’t get one.
I’ll buy a phone and laptop, but I’m done investing in any other products that won’t guarantee a basic feature set for the life of their device.
There are still issues with WearOS, but I think some of that is hardware. Last I heard, Qualcomm’s wearable SoCs were trash, but Samsung is in a good position since they have both the SoC fab and make the watch itself.
Many industries are shifting to a model where Android is the de facto OS for consumer-facing interactions. It’s not well optimized outside of phones yet, but it is rapidly improving. Many cars run Android now, for example.
I’m moderately optimistic about the next generation of WearOS devices.
I’ve been contemplating getting a galaxy watch, but I was waiting for Samsung to get it right.
Consider a Garmin smart watch. I love mine and the battery lasts over 8 days even with an OLED display
I can actually get one as part of my company healthplan. Which model do you have? I was leaning towards the Venu 3 over the Forerunner.
I splurged and bought an Epix since I like the design and the OLED display but I’ve seen the venu 3 and it’s really nice too.
It’s been super trusty, the flashlight feature is absolutely amazing and I use it on a daily basis, it’s brighter than my phone’s flashlight too which is crazy.
Thanks!
No problem! I do a ton of research on these so if you have any questions feel free to ask
