Many European language versions of anime and games are being localized not by translating the original Japanese, but the English.
Lots of translators also seem to use Google or DeepL, which makes the issue even worse.
The English language version often don’t even translate, they write their own version, calling it “creative liberty”. This leads to a completely different version than what was intended, with others, such as the German or Spanish version, being even further from the original.
That’s why claims of people of having “learnt Japanese from anime” are dubious in the best of cases.
Source: Am Japanese, working in game translation in Tokyo. I’m also trilingual, which makes it even worse to watch this. Ignorance is bliss.
IIRC they did this with Crayon Shin-Chan since a bunch of that show’s humour was based on cultural nuances and taboos that simply wouldn’t translate outside of Japan.
I’m currently learning Japanese at the moment and if I could tell my younger self that it’s stupidity learn Japanese from English substitutes then I would
Be so young that you don’t understand you’re learning a language, you’re just making sounds with grandma
Be exposed to unique sounds like the German “ü”, the French “r” and the Dutch “ch” and try to imitate them when you’re 3 years old and your brain, tongue and throat are still flexible
If you’ve fucked up 1 to 3, plug away at it for a long time, then at some point, before you think you’re ready, live somewhere where you’ll have no choice but to use that language.
This also applies to a lot of subtitling in general. Shows that are in a different language than English are usually first translated into English, and then that file is used as a template for the other languages it’s translated into. It’s easier and cheaper.
Proper translation is really, really hard, especially for something like Anime.
Not only do you have to get across the same message in a language that works completely differently, you have to time what’s being said so it matches the timing from the original language. And then there’s the fact that there are many cultural differences. If you just translate the words, sometimes the meaning doesn’t make sense to the new audience because what’s happening relies on a cultural understanding that’s different.
Too much “creative liberty” is a problem, but it’s just as bad to get rid of it entirely. That’s why it’s so refreshing when someone makes the effort to do it right. Doing it right is really hard and takes a long time. It’s often a labor of love because doing it acceptably well is much faster and normally pays the same.
Absolutely. The problem arises when the source material then gets translated from English, which already suffers from losing nuances.
It’s also often debatable if something counts as liberty or is really a lazy shortcut, when it’s clear that something could have been done in better ways.
Many European language versions of anime and games are being localized not by translating the original Japanese, but the English.
Lots of translators also seem to use Google or DeepL, which makes the issue even worse.
The English language version often don’t even translate, they write their own version, calling it “creative liberty”. This leads to a completely different version than what was intended, with others, such as the German or Spanish version, being even further from the original.
That’s why claims of people of having “learnt Japanese from anime” are dubious in the best of cases.
Source: Am Japanese, working in game translation in Tokyo. I’m also trilingual, which makes it even worse to watch this. Ignorance is bliss.
The flip side of this is the Samurai Pizza Cats, where they completely rewrote the dialogue to make the English version way more entertaining.
IIRC they did this with Crayon Shin-Chan since a bunch of that show’s humour was based on cultural nuances and taboos that simply wouldn’t translate outside of Japan.
I’m currently learning Japanese at the moment and if I could tell my younger self that it’s stupidity learn Japanese from English substitutes then I would
Do you have any tips on learning languages?
I’m sorry, I don’t have any recommendations. Maybe there are useful communities for this on Lemmy?
If you’ve fucked up 1 to 3, plug away at it for a long time, then at some point, before you think you’re ready, live somewhere where you’ll have no choice but to use that language.
This also applies to a lot of subtitling in general. Shows that are in a different language than English are usually first translated into English, and then that file is used as a template for the other languages it’s translated into. It’s easier and cheaper.
Also using AI to translate and companies firing real translators because of this bro ☠️
RIP proper translations.
At least dlsite is being open about it, if the game has an AI translation, that translation is always free and tagged as AI.
Proper translation is really, really hard, especially for something like Anime.
Not only do you have to get across the same message in a language that works completely differently, you have to time what’s being said so it matches the timing from the original language. And then there’s the fact that there are many cultural differences. If you just translate the words, sometimes the meaning doesn’t make sense to the new audience because what’s happening relies on a cultural understanding that’s different.
Too much “creative liberty” is a problem, but it’s just as bad to get rid of it entirely. That’s why it’s so refreshing when someone makes the effort to do it right. Doing it right is really hard and takes a long time. It’s often a labor of love because doing it acceptably well is much faster and normally pays the same.
Absolutely. The problem arises when the source material then gets translated from English, which already suffers from losing nuances.
It’s also often debatable if something counts as liberty or is really a lazy shortcut, when it’s clear that something could have been done in better ways.