• TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
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    me not knowing the breed looks them up via DDG

    So she was basically mauled by the Demon Dogs from Ghostbusters.

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    and the two registered dogs were safely seized having been contained inside a room, a spokesperson for the Metropolitan police said.

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    If she was unable to control them, she should not have gotten permission to own them in the first place.

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      That’s very naive. There’s plenty of breeds of dogs that kill people.

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        Yeah, that’s true, but in the UK XL Bullies specifically have been doing all the maulings recently that have generated serious press coverage; also they themselves have just been added as the sixth (?) banned canine breed in the UK.

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      From the article

      From 1 February, it became a criminal offence to own the XL bully breed in England and Wales without an exemption certificate. Anyone who owns one of the dogs must have had the animal neutered, have it microchipped and keep it muzzled and on a lead in public, among other restrictions.

      So I’m guessing she got them before they were banned and had an exception so she didn’t have to have them destroyed.

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      The lady across the street from us used to own a small dog, I think it passed and she recently got an XL bully. She struggles to walk it, always looks angry with the dog, it’s always barking and glaring at me and my family. I have been carrying my gun more recently because I’m waiting for the day that dog decides to try to make a meal out of my two-year-old.

      Why are dognuts the way they are? Just get a fucking pom.

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    Idk if it’s the same everywhere but in my experience in America I have came across a huge range of canine breeds owned by a huge range of human breeds (quality of person) and 100% of the time the human was a caring person that loved their dog the breed is unnoticeable. On the other side, when the human is subpar the breed of the dog is more noticeable as an inverse correlation to how shitty the person is.

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      This is the dog equivalent of “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.”

      But without the gun, no one would be killed by the gun.

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        But without the gun, no one would be killed by the gun.

        … those ones not killed by the gun would be killed by the next lethal device in place of it, it is the will which drives the action, not the device

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          Guns are essentially magic spears. They pierce with great force at very large distances. The next down are toys in comparison.

        • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
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          Lmao but at least next lethal device isn’t something that has sole purpose of killing people.

          Like how stupid you have to be… guns only and one numbero uno purpose is killing people. And they are fucking good at it, nothing else comes close.

          A knife? Bitch please you have to get close, grab the victim and stab many times. It’s easier to run away from a blade than from a fucking bullet unless you are Neo.

          What’s the purpose of legal gun ownership?? To defend against legal gun ownership. It’s a fucking ouroboros of stupidity.

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          Your opinion is not grounded in fact as represented by statistics from a wide range of countries.

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            Then it will be something else.

            Mind I’m not defending the free-guns-for-all policy so dear to a sadly large part of americans, I’m just saying that the tool is not the real issue, that one would be the finality of the action and the fecklessness, the morbidly carelessness and yet horrible thoroughness, attached to the though of ending or seriously harming another person. That one is a cultural problem, and very deep.

            Sure guns were instrumental to spread and nourishing such culture, but if it wasn’t the gun then the will to kill would have been manifested through the next available tool.

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              What next tool are you talking about?

              Guns are specifically designed to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible and at great distance. Take that tool away and you put some serious limits on the will to kill.

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          Guns are the easiest method to kill people with. A spree stabber isnt going to kill and main NEAR as many people before they are dealt with as a spree shooter will

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    Cripes, what kind of a dick do you have to be to your own dogs to get attacked by them?

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      Sometimes the breed temperament has more to do with it than anything else….

      But also assholes all seem to like the same breed so….

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        Breed temperament is a thing, but all dogs can be good dogs. Most are good with only slight work. People get a breed they can’t handle and no one’s happy.

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          It pains me to say this as a great dog lover, and someone that has known some very loving pitbulls, Sadly not all dogs can be good dogs.

          Like people, some are just born as “assholes”

          But yes, breed temperament is a thing. Not an absolute thing, but still a thing.

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        My buddy legit owns a dire wolf (half wolf, half dog) and never had a problem in the last ten years. He owns a large chunk of property so the dog isn’t restricted to one room in an apartment in the city, and he knows how to handle a large animal. I will say one thing, that thing commands respect, it’s easily 7 foot from back paws to front paws.

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          Even pitbulls are safe in the right hands. Fuck it, tigers and lions and silverback gorillas are safe in the right environment.

          However a proper education in caring for the animals aswell as proper enclosures and a knowledge of the animal and its needs….

          Yes you CAN do it, but should Tom from down the street have his own pitbull army and alligator pool in his back yard?

          Hard pass.

          I’m sure some people can do it safely, but training, registration, safety, etc…. Ban them all as pets unless you get X license, like a gun.

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            You barely need to pass a background check to get a gun, lol. It’s harder to get a driver’s license. I’m not saying your wrong, just using a gun as reference is not the best comparison. If your doing private transfer of gun ownership, which is completely legal in most states, the background check is irrelevant.

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                I’m unfamiliar with Canadian law but I bet if your friend or neighbor wanted to sell a gun and you wanted to buy, the background check process would be a lot easier than if you went to a retailer like Walmart or whatever, and would probably still be considered legal.

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                  When my step dad died, it was a difficult process trying to legally sell his hand guns. You can’t buy guns from Walmart here either. That’s so strange that you can where you’re from.

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                They might be inanimate objects but they are much more destructive than dogs. Can a dog kill you? Yes. Can a gun kill you? Yes, but a gun is much more likely to get the job done than a dog.

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                  Actually all a gun can do is sit there. There is zero chance of your gun killing you. You might accidentally kill yourself with it, but the gun is never going to kill you.

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      There is no evidence that she was being terrible towards the dogs

      Some dogs can just snap and decide to not be nice one day, its a good reason you don’t let dogs you’ve seen be calm interact with babies because it only takes a small amount of the dog not being nice to end up harming a baby

      Older people have a better chance of surviving dog attacks but the chance isn’t 100% and cases like this can happen

      And if I recall correctly this breed is more prone to aggressiveness

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        I doubt it. Not walking them enough, keeping them cooped up, no outlets - especially if they weren’t fixed. Sad all around, but the dogs are not hatching evil plans, they’re just dogs.

        Spay and neuter. Spay and neuter. And adopt.

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          Dogs can still have the potential to snap regardless if you’ve given them a good life

          They could just snap from having a tantrum

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          Some dogs get older and I assume confused and just snap. My grandmother’s dog, sweetest girl, golden retriever, service dog, previously good with other animals and cats. My Grandmom brought home a kitten and the dog mauled it. Do not trust dogs. Just like people they can do something totally out of character.

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    “XL bully dogs”? Have we stopped saying “pit bull” because of and I never got the memo?

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    people should be required to have really serious animal rescue and psychology training to get one of these dogs (or else astronomical punishment). most people who get these dogs do so on a whim and because of their own unresolved ego issues.

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      The best dog I ever had was a pit. Sweet as pie, just wanted to cuddle and love. We chose him because he was a big meaty guy with the most adorable face you’d ever seen, and because he needed a home ASAP. We’d take him on walks and people would cat call him from passing cars, or literally stop us and ask if they could dog-sit. He spent nearly a decade with us, just loving and farting and cuddling and snoring.

      He really didn’t need any help to become a great dog, except that I needed to train him that the cat was a friend and not something to chase and put our mouth on. That took all of a weekend, and that was after he’d been abandoned and abused for half a year before we got him. I know it’s not true for every individual, but many times all a dog really needs a a good home with people that love it.

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        like with every “complex” living being there is of course a large spectrum. But to be on the safe side though anyone who wants to get a pit should be able to fairly certainly understand when a dog is stressed via physical cues and should be able to tell when a de-escalation is needed. And I am not talking about “I had dogs all my life I know what I am doing” kind of thing. More like if you are getting a pit from a shelter you should be required to get some serious mandatory training from a professional. This will (along with fines) will maybe help deter people who get pits for the sake of owning a ferocious dog.

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    Large dog breeds need to be trained very carefully. My friends have a 100 lbs husky, just a massive wolf looking dog. When he was a pup, he was food protective, so they made sure to train that behavior completely out of Steel(the dog).

    In the present day, Steel is 8 years old, in the prime of his physical size and health, and the sweetest boi. With different owners, he’d have negative habits that lead his behaviour and made him dangerous.