• coffeeguy@lemmy.world
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    I would never correct how someone pronounces gif, but…

    • Gin is a tasty drink.
    • Gerunds are verbal nouns.
    • Gentrification is a trend in urban environments.
    • Gifs are poorly optimized internet clips with controversy surrounding their pronunciation.
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    Gerry the gentle giraffe went to the gym with the generous gem of a gymnast Geoffrey (the giant ginger who wears gentlemen’s hair gel and studies geometry). Genius!

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      That’s the gist, generally. Then, gyrating, giblets jiggling , he mixed a gigantic gin and ginseng.

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        ^ this person gets it.

        People are so weird about this. Yes, G’s often sound like J’s English is weird. The inventor gets to have the say, he called it “jif”, great, it’s “jif”. To say it hard g “gif” and act like all G’s sound the same is just announcing one’s own ignorance. Weird take. Welcome to English!

        English is filled with weird duplicative shit. Ex: Why do we even have C’s anyway if we could use an S or a K? “Accident” one C is “kuh” and one C is “Suh”. WTF English?

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          The inventor can call it whatever he wants, but it’s not going to change the pronunciation that has stuck with the general public. Language isn’t some decided upon thing that one person gets to control, it is a tool that naturally evolves and changes over time as it spreads from person to person

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    I used to be adament about gif with a hard G until I had a coworker insist that sudo was pronounced soodoo rather than pseudo. like yeah, I know it stands for sUpEr uSeR dO but you can never get me to not say it the other way.

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      I’ve been using Linux for like 18 years and I will never say soodoo. I will die on this hill.

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      it’s not like gif stands for jraphics interchange format.

      neither does it stand for giraffe interchange format.

      nor does it stand for geranium interchnage format.

      but if you’re sharing gifs of giraffes or giraniums, i suppose that’s allowable.

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      Even though I pronounce it “jif” too, I am tired of seeing arguments that rely on how other words are pronounced. You are not helping the cause, as these arguments are too easily countered. There are much more convincing arguments to be made, such as how “jif” is more practical since it can’t be confused with “gift,” and how the creator was making a reference to the word “jiffy.”

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    We speak the language and pronounce new words based on the past words of the language. There are exceptions but they don’t negate the defaults.

    Nearly every single word in English that starts with a g followed by a soft ih/eh vowel is pronounced as a soft g, just a few:

    gin gypsy general gerund Gerald gel gem gyp Geronimo gesture

    In fact, there are something like 20,000 words in the dictionary that start with G and the number of them that are pronounced with a hard G where this rule otherwise dictates a soft G is such a small fraction of them that it has its own wiki page.

    This video is a tad harsh for comedic effort, but otherwise entirely fact based and sourced:

    https://youtu.be/MSJaSS_Zj0Y

    Bottom line: you’re free to use a hard G, but it’s not the default pronunciation based on either all other English words or the creator’s intentions, and if you’re confused why others pronounce it with a soft G, they would seem to be simply more familiar with the English language 🤷‍♂️

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      Nearly every single word in English that starts with a g followed by a soft ih/eh vowel is pronounced as a soft g, just a few:

      That is patently not true and blatant cherry picking, e.g. already contradicted by the lexically matching word “gift” (and there are “giggle”, “gild”, “girl”, “git”, “give”, “gizmo”, etc.). See Wikipedia, which referenced linguists studying this:

      An analysis of 269 words by linguist Michael Dow found near-tied results on whether a hard or soft g was more appropriate based on other English words; the results varied somewhat depending on what parameters were used.[11] Of the 105 words that contained gi somewhere in the word, 68 used the soft g while only 37 employed its counterpart. However, the hard g words were found to be significantly more common in everyday English; […]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF#Cause

      Michael Dow is an associate professor in linguistics with specialization in phonology, by the way.

      and if you’re confused why others pronounce it with a soft G, they would seem to be simply more familiar with the English language 🤷‍♂️

      Well, clearly you are already not as “familiar with the English language” as you might think.

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        All you basically said is “nuh uh because my feelings” and then an appeal to authority who disregarded the following vowel sound. “But he’s a professor” proves nothing, let alone backs any sort of assertion that you or he are familiar with squat 🤷‍♂️

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      I use the same metric and use the English pronunciation of words as an American.l, because they’re correct and we are wrong.

      I’m considered a hipster douche for it.

      Others are correct to say so.

      Al-uuuuu-min-eee-umm

      Yaw-gert

      Tuh-mot-o

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        Aluminum was an either or from the start and it just happened which side of the ocean got which and that they weren’t the same

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          Yeah but what the Brits eventually chose should go.

          The only other option is to bomb the UK into oblivion and change the language’s name to American, and I’m a pacifist, so I’d rather just say it the correct way as the owners dictate without murdering them and declaring the language ours now.

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            You can have different dialects in the same language. American English is a dialect of English that is different from British English.

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              Just like Coca Cola and generic off brand garbage cola!

              They’re equally… pfff… valid soft drinks!

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    Blame english instead of people probouncing the wrong way. English don’t give a fucking clue about pronounciation only using letters.

    So I can pronounce Blamei as Lemmy. [B silent, a - e sound, mm and m can be pronounced same, and ei can be read as y]