• CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    124
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    “I’ve never experienced it so you must just be imagining it” pretty much describes the conflict of every issue out there, from race to mental illness. Hell, even things like homelessness.

      • lugal@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        30
        ·
        10 months ago

        Don’t forget “I’ve suffered it and it wasn’t that bad so don’t pretend it is”

        • Klear@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          10 months ago

          Which actually means “I’ve pretended to suffer it and you are probably too”.

          • lugal@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            13
            ·
            10 months ago

            “I experienced racism. I was called a potato once and seriously, it wasn’t as bad as all the n* pretend it is. Get over it.”

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      31
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      10 months ago

      exactly. empathy is the ability to realize other people have different experiences than you. to think about what it’s actaully like to be homeless.

      but people think it means ‘just agree with me and make me feel good, and if i feel bad for people i am a good person’

    • Techognito@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      The fact that there could be someone out there thinking, “I have 17 homes, so clearly they are imagining not having a home”, does not shock me

      edit: grammar and my brains is a mix of spaghetti and mashed potatoes

      • Eranziel@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        10 months ago

        It’s more like, “I own 17 homes and it wasn’t that hard to get that many. They must not be trying hard enough.”

    • bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      10 months ago

      This is funny when it comes to minority groups in a larger one.

      I remember telling someone passionate about his org that I’ve seen some homophobia/queerphobia and shit in the org, and he was like “Homophobia here??? We don’t tolerate that, it can’t be happening. I haven’t seen it”

      Well, it’s not like they are calling you a f****t or some shit, you aint queer

    • macrocarpa@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      being perennially excluded from parents group, kids activities, volunteering, coaching and other social connective activities because you’re a male parent and might accidentally sexually assault someone

      losing multiple male friends to suicide, and seeing society handwave it away as being less important than any other form of death, despite its incidence being 10 times that of homicide

      being objectified as inherently dangerous, simply for having a penis, and worse still understanding why

      starting each day trying to be good, and do good, and that still never, ever being enough

      Why participate?

    • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      It’s super ironic that you are the top comment in THIS thread.

      Hi again, you assumed that I thought deep fakes worked off magicly making nudes and just didn’t understand the technology of aggregation as opposed to listening to the ways that women are being blackmailed and harassed by it. And that even if deepfake is exponentially faster and more accessible, it’s nothing new or different than drawing a picture of someone naked, even in the age of social media

      Instead of actually listening you were arrogant, dismissive and hostile. You are the man in this comic. You are the person who is not harmed by deep fakes, so it’s not a real problem.

      • CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        It’s been a while so idk if you remember, but as soon as I realized what you meant I immediately owned up to my mistake. This was from one of the last comments I made to you back then:

        I’m not trying to be disingenuous, it genuinely sounded like you didn’t realize, that’s my bad.

        I thought you meant something that you didn’t. The second I realized, I admitted that I was at fault. I fucked up there, and I’m sorry for that.

        • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          10 months ago

          And the very next thing you said was…

          Imo as these become widespread, we’ll inevitably reach a point where nudes simply don’t matter. If anyone can create a nude of someone else with next to no effort in seconds, then a nude getting “leaked” would have next to no impact or relevance.

          So yes, you apologized for assuming I didn’t understand what I was talking about, but you then double down ignoring the harassment I was bringing up. I’m not interested in discussing any part of this with you, we already have gone round and round. I was just shocked, amazed to read you today and had to highlight your lack of self awareness in saying

          “I’ve never experienced it so you must just be imagining it”

          Harassment of women with deepfakes has no impact or relevance, because hostility to women only has no impact or relevance to you.

          • CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            10 months ago

            I’m… a little confused. That comment of mine has nothing to do with my comment above or the post.

            The post is about people’s ignorance, and their refusal to accept that there may be anything outside of their limited perspective.

            I never said that your point wasn’t valid, or was made up. I simply didn’t agree with it, and had my own opinion. My last comment to you back then literally talked about the fact that I feel terrible for those negatively impacted by this, acknowledging that it’s a real thing that affects real people.

            Someone acknowledging yet disagreeing with you isn’t the same at what’s in this post, and imo does it a massive disservice, as its about a lot more than that.

            Here’s my comment for clarity:

            Right now we live in a pretty puritan society, so the transitional phase is going to suck and people are going to be hurt. Obviously that’s awful, and none of this should take away from that fact, I feel horrible for the people negatively impacted by this.

            And while that’s all true, it’s also true that as we continue going down this road we’ll reach a point where it simply won’t matter anymore.

            The first part clearly addresses and acknowledges reality. I’m in no way dismissing it, pretending it doesn’t exist, or saying that “because I don’t experience it it isn’t real”. I fully acknowledge that it’s real and is a serious issue.

            The second part is my own opinion in addition to it. It doesn’t take away from the first part, this isn’t a zero sum game, both can be true. I have my own opinion while fully acknowledging your own and seeing the validity of it.