What’s the deal with college kids these days?
Took me a second
Title of your sex tape.
Not even worth the film.
The guy who said woke (aka not self centered sociopaths) have ruined comedy even though his partner on Seinfeld has had a wildly successful hit comedy series burning everyone for like eight years?
8 years? Try 24 years of Curb your Enthusiasm and it was glorious.
Also Always Sunny in Philadelphia exists and proves Seinfeld wrong as well.
- Jfc
- Absolutely
I forget where I heard it but I’ve never forgotten it: Comedy punches up, bullying punches down. The only people who are afraid of getting canceled are the ones who do the latter.
Try 24 years of Curb your Enthusiasm and it
wasis glorious.The newest season just ended.
Last season :’(
Last season :’(
He’s been saying that since season 5.
🤞
The final season was glorious. It’s over now unfortunately.
does anyone under 40 watch Curb?
I’m sure you can look up the demographics but I’m not sure how it would change the point
Me. I watch curb and I’m in my 20s
I started watching at like age 20. This is a bad take.
Wow. Those protestors are so violent. Call the riot squad!
Anti-semites!¡
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Also a pedophile
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The bee movie guy?
yeah, the guy who dated a 17 year old in his 30s.
I’m really not sure what the Duke administration was thinking.
They either weren’t considering it at all or considered it a plus. Awful look either way!
39-year-old Jerry Seinfeld with his 17-year-old girlfriend Shoshanna Lonstein in 1993
Love his TV show but unfortunately he’s a dick IRL.
https://consequence.net/2024/05/jerry-seinfeld-pro-palestine-students-duke/
His character is kinda a dick in the show too.
He wasn’t why the show was funny
Any show named after the main character can run perfectly well without it.
Dawsons creek Seinfeld Will and grace Etc.
Friends would have been okay with Janice and Gunter. Community only needs the Dean. The big bang theory would have been better with just a black screen.
I think you mean The big bang theory would have been better without the big bang (although pre season 4 isn’t too bad).
Community only needs the Dean.
I mean, technically, yes. It would work but it wouldn’t be Community. Abed is the cornerstone though if set alone wouldn’t work out, you also need sidekick Troy as an audience surrogate so we can all ride along. Troy&Abed on a space station would still be Community with different support characters.
🎶 Troy&Abed on a space station 🎶
Ever since be took Leno‘s side in the Tonight Show feud between Leno and Conan, he became non redeemable to me.
That’s like the least bad thing he’s done.
Nothing is obligating you to respond this way other than some amount of respect you have for this bigot. DONT sugar coat your ability to look the other way in the face of bigotry.
I can’t help but notice all the comedians who complain about society being took woke for comedy are has-beens. John Stewart’s back to crushing it at the Daily Show, is he complaining? No, it’s only the guys who’ve run out of material and have nothing left to do but shake their canes at gen Z kids.
I challenge anyone to go to the “good old days” and find me a comedian who was actually funny and not just being an edgelord. You know who the most popular comedian was in the 80s? Andrew Dice Clay. That’s right. That’s was peak comedy, dirty nursery rhymes. Sure, I get that some people are nostalgic. But let’s be serious for a minute - do we really wanna go back to that kind of comedic void?
Society hasn’t gotten too woke, rather comedic standards have evolved to the point where merely being offensive in itself no longer counts as comedy.
I challenge anyone to go to the “good old days” and find me a comedian who was actually funny and not just being an edgelord.
The master himself. George Carlin. We could debate whether he was an edge lord or not. But his comedy was timeless and remains hysterical to this day. And his funniest bits were based on observation of the human condition.
Carlin was vulgar, but he never punched down. I firmly believe his comedy would be as accepted today as it was when he made it.
It IS as accepted today. His material is still very relevant.
He could plainly see what was coming. Tore it down. People laughed and let it happen anyway.
I can confirm. No matter how many times I listen to Mr Conductor talk about Poo Bear, I can’t help but laugh. Specially when he saws Roo into his own pouch!
Carlin also re-invented himself with the times. The comedy he did in the 60s was entirely different from the comedy he did in the 90s.
Jerry Seinfeld is still doing the same comedy he did in the 80s.
Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, and Jim Carrey all seemed like they had really good specials. I haven’t watched them in a long time, but I don’t recall them being edge lords. I’m sure there have to be others.
Eddie Murphy can be funny, but there’s a ton of homophobic and other problematic content in Raw and Delirious.
=(
(I’m unhappy because that’s bad, not because I disagree with the statement.)
The first 10 mins of Delirious are difficult watching, but worth getting through for the timeless gold in the rest of it.
If you want to keep happy memories, never rewatch a comedy special older than 10 years. It’s incredible how fast most jokes age.
I think there are some big exceptions. For example- Robin Williams at the Met was an amazing show and is still extremely funny.
Some are timeless, I can watch Burns and Allen routines and they are still hilarious. Topical humor is very of-its-time though.
Probably true, I usually don’t rewatch anything in video format. It’s kind of a weird quirk of mine.
Is George Carlin considered an edgelord?
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This shit couldn’t be more off base lmao.
Not only have many greats been listed in response to you, you also have relevant comedians today bitching about “woke” as you call it.
Is Bill Burr an edge lord has-been? Chapelle? Jon Stewart has mentioned this as well. Honestly, I think the meme of “YoU cAnT sAy tHiNgS aNyMoRe” is in over half of standups I watch.
A huge portion of comedians mention this at some point.
Chappelle I’ll grant you, but I’d put Chappelle in the category with Seinfeld of a once super-popular comedian who has passed his prime, and now just shakes his cane at Gen Z in frustration instead of creating new material.
As for Bill Burr and John Stewart:
Bill Burr Stuns Bill Maher by Declaring Cancel Culture ‘Over’
Jon Stewart Is “So Fucking Sick” of “Anti-Woke” Culture: “I’ve Lost Two Words in 35 Years”There’s a difference between thinking cancel culture has gone too far and complaining endlessly that it has “ruined comedy”. One is an opinion, the other is an excuse.
I honestly never understood the attraction to Seinfeld.
There were a few good jokes in there but the whole show was about them being assholes and proud of it.
They’re selfish, judgemental and entitled. They’re constantly mocking and bullying other people and each other. The final episode even lays it out explicitly.
Shows like “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”, “Married… With Children” or “Breaking Bad” have various unsavory characters but we’re invited to reject these flaws or at least identify with them as flaws.
Seinfeld is shameless about being an asshole and pretends the rest of us are just too dumb to understand his genius.
I think you’re missing the point of these shows and that’s okay.
The characters aren’t role models, they are your intrusive thoughts manifest. If you didn’t hear someone’s name when they told you, any rational person would just say it was loud and they didn’t hear you. They wouldnt go through lengths of introducing friends, finding out childhood taunts and rifling through your belongings in an attempt to save face.
The joke is in the breaking of social norms. A show about people being polite to each other doesn’t make for very good comedy.
That’s exactly my point. None of the characters in these shows are role models. We can sympathize with the Bundy’s or their neighbors but the show makes it obvious that nobody wants to emulate them. We can understand why Walther White did the things he does even if it’s clear that he shouldn’t have. The gang in Philly is all about showing us the worst possible decision in any given situation.
Seinfeld, on the other hand, celebrates their behavior. It canonizes our intrusive thoughts as though they were a more authentic form of expression.
you must be fun at parties
Archer. Archer is the perfect genius asshole protagonist.
I found that the clowning/assholery in Seinfeld was just too close to plausible to clock as humor most of the time, while picking on small and petty things; it’s a little too real. I don’t think that comes from conceit, but rather, a generation gap and all the insensitivity that comes with it. Just add a little casual violence and it’s peak boomer-era humor. That said, Seinfield was its best when the stories were less believable and cruel.
The other shows you cite put these humor beats way over the top which is far more paletteable, IMO.
I think you have a fundamentally different view than I do on the characters. They are all fundamentally nice people. The difference is, they get fixated on small issues, and let it control their actions. Jerry dates a woman that only looks good in bright light? Only go on dates that have good lighting. It is something you would want to do too, but you would have the control to not let it run the relationship. Jerry doesn’t have that control, and focuses on the good lighting at the expense of everything else.
The characters aren’t mean. They didn’t wish I’ll on anyone. Many of the episodes are them trying to find a way to get out of a situation without being honest because they think the truth would hurt too. Idiots, yes, not not jerks.
For another example. There is an episode where a waiter accidentally puts a menu on a candle and it lights on fire. George points it out, puts the fire out, and casually mentions “I think the busboy put the menu too close to the candle.” The manager overhears this, and fires the busboy. George then finds the busboy to try and help him get another job, but leaves the front door open, and the busboy’s cat escapes. It is the perfect example of what the characters are. They don’t want to hurt people, and go to extreme lengths to do it, even though it always backfires.
I think you have a fundamentally different view than I do on the characters. That’s clearly true :)
Even when the characters behave reasonably I always felt that they were motivated more by the potential for public embarrassment than by moral concern.
It’s hard for me to think of George as a fundamentally nice. This is the guy who shoved children and elderly out of the way when he saw smoke, goaded an alcoholic into relapsing because he felt left out, constantly lied to get advantage in situations and even tried to kill a guy out of jealousy.
You have to have grown up with it and gained an unconditional love of the characters. You don’t care that they are an asshole to a character you don’t like.
Look at Kramer he is so stupid he can’t figure out a washing machine! Lol he’s going to try to pour a bunch of detergent in next and act like he’s drunk because he’s that stupid! He’s so funny!
Edit: Remembered it wrong. He was pouring concrete into the washing machine. Classic asshole
I grew up with it and still hated it. I know I’m in the minority but I agree with the comment OP, I hate asshole like this.
https://youtu.be/JdOwTN4-n1I?si=BSFSYj4FbGWLfqHA
I remembered it wrong. He wasn’t doing laundry. He was pouring concrete into the guy’s washing machine.
No idea what that guy did to deserve a messed up washing machine.
“You ever use the gentle cycle?” Absolutely hilarious /s
The bass theme is a banger than that’s about it
It was always played with a keyboard. No one is ever slaping a bass
And they’re different lengths to make up the small differences in episode length.
TIL about John Wolf.
At the time, it never would have occurred to me that each one was different or that there was beatboxing involved.
The characters in Seinfeld are shameless, but like with IASIP, they usually get burned at the end of the episode. And that continued over Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry is petty and self-centered, he never learns, karma gets him in the last 30 seconds and then the Tuba drops - BUM BUM BUM.
Weird choice of quotes and headlines:
From the OP article:
“He has been “uncharacteristically vocal” about his support during press calls for his new film, Unfrosted, The New York Times reported.”
From the NYT link in the quote:
“As Mr. Seinfeld, who has recently been vocal about his support for Israel, received an honorary degree, dozens of students walked out and chanted, “Free, free Palestine,” while the comedian looked on and smiled tensely”
But when you go to the link to the NY Times article that references Mr. Seinfeld as being recently vocal about his support of Israel, one of the concluding comments in the article is:
Surely, Mr. Seinfeld sees it differently. His public comments have largely avoided geopolitical specifics, dwelling little on the choices of the Netanyahu government or prospective conditions for a cease-fire.
And he can still sound hesitant even in recent discussions about the Jewishness of “Seinfeld” — which an NBC executive once described as “too New York, too Jewish.”
Nothing about this makes me think Seinfield is a a strong supported of the war. Support for Israel after the attack can be a lot of things and does not mean pro Netanyahu war machine.
CoMeDy Is DeAd.
No. We’re just through with your bigotry disguised as humor.
Confusiong riches and fame for brains. Classic mistake
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He was receiving an honorary degree from Duke and spoke at the commencement.
Why? Was it for his work in underage dating?
He Mastered in it.
And here I thought it was a minor
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What did he say?
It wasn’t about the commencement speech
I read that one of the Charities he donates to is actively engaging in the suffering of the Palestenians.
The suffering? That puts it lightly. He has aided in killing the mothers and children of Gaza.
Fuck that motherfucker
