Religious mutilation: Not even once.
I had medical mutilation. I lost a lot of sensitivity down there. But it allows it to work and wife has been supportive in a country where it’s a rare thing.
I don’t think anyone is arguing against it being done for medical reasons and especially on someone willing.
But I feel like I’m a rare breed of someone experiencing it and having years with “both” types. There’s a lot of curiosity from both camps because realistically, there’s little chance of anyone ever finding out which one is “better”. Honestly, both have pros and cons. I hope my comment puts people a bit at ease for having it forced upon them when they couldn’t say no and those who still can choose, don’t feel pressured into it or mislead by misinformation.
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I’m sorry parents and doctors are legally allowed to mutilate an infants sex organs. It’s honestly fucking disgusting, and tragic that you are one of the many victims.
In a couple decades circumcision will likely be looked back on as one of the many barbaric practices that was common in the past, and I can’t wait for that day.
an infant’s* sex organs
You literally can’t, because you’ll be dead by then.
I realize that having it done as a newborn I’ll never really know, but mutilated? As an adult iv seen and played with those flesh danglers. Listen we are all humans and beautiful, but fucking hell I’m happy with mine. They are like one of those weird deep sea critters you see on nat geo or sciencememes.
True, if I ever have a baby I’ll make the argument to the mom we SHOULD give the kid the choice… but I know that as a poor adult I would never do it now. But am happy it’s been done.
I hate to sound like a “Liberal” talking about Palestine, but this may be a somewhat nuanced situation.
The definition of mutilate is “inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on.”
Circumcision being the forced removal of the most sensitive part of the males genitals, that literally disfigures it, I feel like saying it’s mutilation is just the correct use of the word.
I’m curious, why are you “happy it’s been done”?
I live in a country where we don’t perform this procedure out of tradition/religion, or at least not in the majority. I’m only aware of it being done for specific medical pathologies such as phimosis.
Because I kind of agree with the sentiment that performing unwarranted surgeries on someone that is unable to voice his (non-)consent is an ethical problem. Even more so with excisions, which always are drastically and usually irrevocably diminishing the body.
I’m glad because I like how it looks and feels. Also, while I understand they are the exception not the rule, I have read about some men’s experience with them (the father of the 7 yr old in this comment thread for example) that make them sound either unconvienent or sometimes unpleasant. Never read anything similar from someone who’s been cut.
And this question isn’t poised at you, but do the people who rail against it think Jewish people should stop the practice as well?
I’ll still use the opportunity to voice my opinion clearly on this: Yes, forced circumcision on infants is only a very small step above the also still common practice of female genetic mutilations at birth/infancy. It does not matter what reasons you claim, only medical necessity should matter. Society should protect its infants from any religion or tradition demanding body modifications of infants.
Leave people’s bodies alone until they can decide on their own what to do when there is zero proven medical benefit to doing it before without their informed consent.
The common “improved hygiene” argument is nonsensical. You know what improves hygiene? Washing, and teaching kids how to wash themselves.
Otherwise you could cut off ears using the same logic. No ears, no need to wash behind the ears.
i mean listen if it counts as female genital mutilation for females, it counts as genital mutilation for males. I see no reason it shouldn’t.
As someone who is circumcised and chose not to circumcise their son, I’m seeing that circumcision has a lot of benefits. My son’s foreskin has always been too tight and won’t still fully retract at 7 years old. We have to put cream on it every night. It needs a lot more thorough washing every day or else it gets discharge all over it. The care and maintenance on an uncircumcised penis is like 1000x that of a circumcised one. I never knew any difference, so I’m not sure what the downsides of having a circumcised one is.
Why would it need to retract at 7 years old? It really only needs to retract once you start to have sex.
Stop messing with your son’s penis for god’s sake.
Pediatricians have timelines for these sort of things. And it can get infected under there.
cleanliness?
You ever eat the gunk under your fingernails? I’m guessing not.
I’m not eating from the tip of my penis.
Phimosis is completely physiological/natural for younger boys and actually helps to protect the head of the penis against infections.
If it needs washing, you can just spray water from the shower head into the opening.
But it’s also kinda like the vagina for girls. It doesn’t really need washing or special treatment unless it’s infected.
In any case, messing with the penis of your son and making them feel unhygienic or like their foreskin is a problem is likely much more damaging than a little bit of smegma.
I’m not eating from the tip of my penis.
yes, and you aren’t doing the same from the nail gunk you accumulate i assume? Then we’re on the same page.
Literally just clean it like you do the rest of your body and you have no problems.
My mother scandalized the Navy nurses by refusing to allow me out of her sight for any reason including a circumcision. She said there was no need,.as she loved every part.if me, and wasn’t going to be staying in the hospital one second longer than necessary. The doctor had to shoo the nurse out of the room while she was objecting that was not standard procedure.
Bless your mother
promise you’ll stop getting a circumcision? What? like it’s an ongoing decision like smoking cigarettes?
People on Lemmy don’t get jokes
I mean if your joke needs explanation it sucks
Please just explain it; I’m dumb
You don’t snip a bit after every celebration?
When the Chiefs won the Superbowl, I got a lil circumcision to celebrate.
What? Taylor Swift getting laid wasn’t enough of a celebration for you? You had to go and cut off your penis foreskin too?
Every Taylor Swift album drop?
Celebrate with a lil circumcision too.
Hang on. Are you saying we are doing it wrong?
Honestly I think the OP is trying to tell us that husband was telling his wife, every time they have a baby boy, please stop giving consent to the doctors to circumcise every new baby boy.
I get one every Tuesday
I don’t hate my doctor or my parents for doing what they thought was a good idea at the time.
I’m fine and I love both my parents just the same. Hopefully you can find peace as well.
if you should be mad at anything it’s society. Realistically it’s not even really a medical design, it’s more like “hey we do this thing sometimes, do you want it done?” And then a yes or no. Perhaps 20-40 years ago that was the case though.
Honestly, missing a bit of dickskin is a lot less troubling to me then how hard we all work and have no real protection from the hurdles life sometimes throws at us.
Who’s taking care of my elderly family, spread out across the states? My nephews have to choose between affording a home by both going to work, or actually raising their young kids. Where is our eldercare, our universal healthcare, our pre-k benefits?
I have my reasons to gripe about society, and crazy as mutilating a baby under the pretense of health is, I don’t think it’s as deadly or dangerous to us all long term, as these oligarchs and their sycophants robbing us of our dues, enabled by an unregulated economy.
The clock keeps ticking on the detonator.
i suppose thats the case but at the end of the day it’s all the same reason. People who shouldn’t be worried about your life, being worried about your life, and inevitably, causing you issues.
One way or the other society progresses, either forwards, or forwards, or backwards. Doesnt matter what you do say or think it still happens.
Oh is that what that is? TIL
When is the body positivity movement going to acknowledge that men who have been circumcised are not broken? So much toxicity around this online. Every time this comes up, it’s just a bunch of people shaming guys who have been circumcised.
We arent shaming the guys but the parents. Being circuncised is not a condition that just happened. Its shitty parents mutilating their babies because they think it looks better.
I strongly disagree. I did a not have shitty parents; they are wonderful.
It was misinformation at the time. I HIGHLY DOUBT they were standing there looking at me thinking “his dick will look better without that extra piece of skin when he’s older”.
Everyone has done something wrong due to misinformation with long lasting repercussions.
when did we start shaming circumcised men? I’m sorry?
You don’t go to a bar and someone points at your dick disfigurement (or what we call a dickfigurirement) with, “Hey look at snippy dick”?
sips my cocoa and says absolutely nothing
Well yeah, i don’t interact with people, so no i don’t go to bars for what that’s worth.
Definitely don’t want to shame you. I myself was circumcised but I believe it is a complex issue, but down to brass tacks it is actually male genital mutilation.
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