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    9 months ago

    If you vote for Trump over Israel, then you’re encouraging the eradication of the Palestinians.

    That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t protest, but the options for Israel at the polls are support vs. encouragement.

    Edit: It’s everything else that really differs, and should be taken more seriously.

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        9 months ago

        I disagree. Trump said the problem with Israel’s actions in Gaza is that they keep recording it, and that they should just finish the job. Netanyahu is so fond of Trump, he inaugurated a town after him in Golan Heights.

        https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/netanyahu-inaugurates-trump-heights-israels-newest-town-on-the-golan-heights/2019/06/16/2207cd24-9041-11e9-956a-88c291ab5c38_story.html

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            Biden should be acting on the genocide but he isn’t and neither will Trump. The only two people capable of being in office in the next 4 years.

            So pressure Congress, protest and do everything you can but in the meantime those two are nothing alike on most other issues and being a single issue voter has never made the system better.

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                    So you’re suggesting Trump then? I’m not sure if you’re aware of the state of the US election system, but there are two candidates that have a chance of being elected. One of them has a voter base that will vote regardless of criminal convictions for attempting to overturn an election, inciting an insurrection, and selling national secrets.

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                    9 months ago

                    You vote that way in the primary, not the general. All you’re doing is ensuring the worst possible outcome, rather than the one you claim you want.

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                Unfortunately, if you view a vote as being complicit you’re complicit no matter what.

                Because with the two party bias there are only two people capable of being in that office and not voting for either of them is still a vote in and of itself.

                To be clear I don’t care who you vote for but you need to accept the reality that you are choosing one of the two whether you mean to or not.

                That’s why Congress is the only realistic way we can pressure our political system to stop what’s currently going on. The government doesn’t stop at the president and plenty of our Congress supports it too which is what allows it to be the way it is.

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                    9 months ago

                    Then you’ve failed to grasp the implicit bias that is baked into our political system.

                    I’m not saying it’s right we should absolutely be trying to change that. However it’s the truth.

                    Until we get something like ranked choice voting we are stuck voting for the best of two or giving power to the worse.

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                Believe it or not US presidents have had blood on their hands for years. Even seemingly peaceful actions like the withdrawl from Afghanistan get blood everywhere. If elections could stop the bloodshed they would have.

                The reality is voting does affect some things but its going to take far more than a vote to stop the killing.

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                    9 months ago

                    “bloodshed and genocide are a foregone conclusion” -things nobody said

                    What part of “Its going to be harder than just voting” do you not understand? Stopping violence means putting your life and wellbeing on the line. No amount of online virtue signaling will stop a genocide.

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            Nobody here is stupid enough to fall for this bullshit… We all know how Trump feels about Israel, strongman leaders, and ethnostsates.

            Trump takes office Jan. 20, and by the end of month, Netanyahu has a blank check to carry out his genocide.

            But maybe that’s what you want…

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                Are you just simply incapable of imagining that but much much worse? Like seriously. I get it dude, what the Israeli government is doing is fucking monstrous. And anyone paying attention to anything knows that not re-electcing Biden will make the nightmare several orders of magnitudes more awful.

                That’s my whole point. Yeah it’s bad right now, but it can and will get worse if Trump is elected. This is a fact.

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                    Trump literally moved our embassy to Jerusalem. You’re a fucking fool if you think Trump and the psychotic dispensationalists that make up his base wouldn’t make that situation much much worse, then I honestly do not know what to tell you. These people literally want more of this shit because they think it means the rapture is coming. And yes, that is a significant portion of his financial base. That isn’t fringe Republican stuff anymore.

                    Shit is really fucking bad over there, but if you don’t think it can get worse (and do so with direct aid and support of the US government), then you must understand very little about human behavior.