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    Unfortunately, if you view a vote as being complicit you’re complicit no matter what.

    Because with the two party bias there are only two people capable of being in that office and not voting for either of them is still a vote in and of itself.

    To be clear I don’t care who you vote for but you need to accept the reality that you are choosing one of the two whether you mean to or not.

    That’s why Congress is the only realistic way we can pressure our political system to stop what’s currently going on. The government doesn’t stop at the president and plenty of our Congress supports it too which is what allows it to be the way it is.

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        Then you’ve failed to grasp the implicit bias that is baked into our political system.

        I’m not saying it’s right we should absolutely be trying to change that. However it’s the truth.

        Until we get something like ranked choice voting we are stuck voting for the best of two or giving power to the worse.

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            Yeah you absolutely can but that will whether you intend to or not give power to the other party. Which if your goal is to assuage your moral complicitency then I think you need to rethink your end result.

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                No I am very affected by it, please do not assume. I have never chastised you. Every single time I have talked kindly and merely pointed out some moral fallacies in your argument.

                Unfortunately not voting for them doesn’t teach them anything we learned that in 2016, the DNC still holds most of the same positions, abstaining just does not work with the current voting structure.

                The only thing we got in return was 4 years of environmental deregulation, deregulation of employment protections, deregulation of election protections and so much more.

                We are at a pivotal point in our planet’s history where if we don’t stop the excess carbon being put in the atmosphere there won’t be anyone left to save. I know Biden hasn’t taken as much action on this as everyone would like but he’s taking a heck of a lot more than Trump ever will.

                So even if your long-term goal was achieved by putting pressure here and not voting which I’m can assure you given past circumstance it won’t, the irreparable damage to the planet and our country can’t simply be undone if your goal is achieved.

                However Congress is not in such a lofty position and much easier to pressure so I urge you to pressure them instead. As they have the means to make an actual difference.

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                    Voting is not a stamp of approval I’ve established that pretty strongly with evidence and theory. It can never be a stamp approval as long as the current system for voting is in place.

                    You do have a moral fallacy you say that you’re complicit if you vote for someone who is immoral. To extend this logic you’re also complicit in every other evil that could have been prevented. I don’t think we need a replay of 2016 to establish that a republican victory will do more harm both short and long-term.

                    I’m not saying you shouldn’t pressure him I’m saying you can’t. Your methods will not work, never will. Because the voting system we have in place does not allow lack of votes to pressure, only votes pressure. It’s why millennials get so little of what they want because they don’t vote like older generations do.

                    So why is pressuring Congress the one piece of action you actually have left so out of the question?