“Oh yeah? You don’t like genocide? Well you don’t get your cap and gown ceremony. So there.”
That’ll show 'em.
I wish mine had been cancelled lol, what a pain in the ass
You know you can just take the diploma and not show up? My college wanted like $200 for the official cap and gown. I said fuck that and moved out graduation weekend.
They mail out the real diploma anyway.
“Oh well you didn’t get that memory!” Of what? Being fleeced by the corporation that just fleeced me for four years, so I can be hot for 3 hours sitting nowhere near anyone I’ve met before? No thanks, I went to dinner with my GF (now wife) and had more fun than anyone who went.
Yeah I know but my family guilted me into it lol
I work for a university and am glad that it’s public because this nonsense doesn’t happen. We’re beholden to the public rather than to donors.
The moment they canceled the Valedictorian speech, I would have simply failed to show up to the commencement. And I would have done my best to surprise USC of it. And I’d have organized or at least hoped other people would do the same thing.
Meh graduation ceremonies are cringe anyway.
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Definitely shitty of them, but my point is that I doubt anyone at USC protesting this genocide is all that concerned with not getting a graduation ceremony right now.
Most people there have rich daddies. They are there because daddy wants them to have a respectable degree if you catch my drift.
ruin someone’s moment
And how many lives were ruined in last 80 years because of USA’s foreign policies?
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Man… I support the Gaza protests. But this is a stupid take. I hope instead of going to work or celebrating your birthday, or getting married, or doing anything remotely joyful, you protest Gaza. If you’re not giving up life’s big moments in solidarity with Gaza, you’re not honoring their ruined lives.
Edit: I hope the people downvoting are out protesting right now. Don’t be hypocrites. Rather than downvoting on Lemmy, you should be canceling all other activities in your life and try to get arrested for Gaza.
Yeah dont blame the people actually cancelling the ceremony and supporting genocide, blame the people protesting for having morals.
big “look what you made me do” energy.
The graduation ceremony isn’t your reward for your work. At least, it shouldn’t be. Your reward for graduating is the opportunities that you’ve opened for yourself for the next chapter of your life. I didn’t go to mine and I haven’t regretted it for a second. The knowledge didn’t leave my brain, at least not as a result of missing graduation.
My memory of my high school graduation ceremony was staring into the hot sun sweating up a dress shirt under a cheap and useless polyester smock that cost me a lot more than it cost to make while people I didn’t care about and who didn’t care about me made speeches with completely fake gravitas. It was the last time I saw a couple dozen people whose names I used to know and a couple hundred people whose names I never learned.
Why the fuck do we still bother with this crap? Who is it for?
Who is it for?
Parents/grandparents. What are kids for but as a vessel to live vicariously through?
Well, at the end of mine I handed the principal a frog instead of shaking his hand. I considered that worth the cost of admission, even taking into account having to leg it afterwards. (They did try, but failed, to withhold my diploma over it. That part was almost as hilarious as frog itself.)
I was already on the administration’s shit-list for calling out the selfsame principal earlier that week for taking credit for our star overachiever student when, in point of fact, the principal had just transferred to that school the same year as this kid’s senior year and was therefore not present for 75% of it. Pointing this out publicly, during the principal’s speech crowing over this, was apparently “not appropriate.”
“World politics”
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting? I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
Well if it’s frightening- keep it up! There must be some form of agency there
I don’t think it’s the protesting, but rather the target of the protests. For some reason Israel seems to be held in higher regard than any American interest. We can protest and shit talk our own terrible politicians all day long and nobody really bats an eye. But ask that we stop murdering innocent brown children in Gaza? Threaten economic consequences for Israel if they don’t stop the murder? For some reason that is a grave offense worthy of trampling on our first amendment rights.
Think about how wild that is - speaking out against the atrocities a foreign government is committing is worthy of taking away your freedom in the US.
The joy of a country run by religious loons that believe Israel will kickstart the Second Coming for them.
Remember, everyone: they want Israel to start a serious war in the Middle East. Because that’s the first step in all the Jews dying and those old rich white Christians being raptured up to heaven.
If anything, the only reason they don’t want it to start now is because they haven’t convinced all the Jews to go back to Israel yet.
I think it is just as simple as “oh no the youths” reminder when Reagan was governor of California he cracked down on a small protest over some benign shit, it wasnt even violent until Reagan stepped in the students and administrators were in talks about the whole situation.
Old people have a suicide death grip on this country and they would rather die and be buried under the rubble of their own hubris than let the people that have an actual stake in the future change anything.
Historically, it seems like they can inspire a whole nation especially if demonstrators get hurt or get killed by the police or military
Eventually every mishandled conflict becomes about the response to the conflict instead of the issue that started it. I still remember the end of OWS when no one was talking about the bailouts anymore instead talking about the difference between camping and protesting I also remember the daily reminders that some anti-war protestor in 2003 threw acid at a cop.
People have the right to make their voice heard. Governments should understand that, establish areas where they can make it heard, and do nothing to make it turn violent. Likewise protestors should make sure that they focus on the issue they care about an expel ones that start shit.
Disruption is an essential part of protest, otherwise it can just be entirely ignored. It’s meant to force results. If there’s enough support for it, it grows as the government cracks down on it (like BLM did in 2020) and becomes a conflict of attrition. If there isn’t, then the protesters get punished and the people celebrate it (like the truckers protesting covid restrictions in Canada).
If your protest inconveniences nobody, it’ll also result in no change.
They aren’t.
They are afraid of being labeled anti-semitic. That is what is driving this. Allowing the protests to exist gets the uni/president labeled anti-semitic, and that is unacceptable for the universities. The universities are then asking the police to break them up by force, because violent against students is more acceptable than being labeled anti-Semitic.
I remember them going after us for protesting the Iraq war.
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting?
Its not fear, its a show of force. This is an opportunity to unleash pent up rage and inflict callous brutality on a group of people that mass media have flogged and hated on for decades. College students are poor, weak, and exceptionally vulnerable. Teachers are poor and overworked and increasingly precarious in their employment. College campuses are hotbeds of Marxism according to your average Boomer or news hour talking head.
So this is where municipal and state officials can drop the hammer unimpeded. This is where they can really indulge in their fascist impulses. This is where they know nobody will try and stop them.
I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
If Tienanmen Square happened in DC today, the guy standing in front of the tank would be labeled at Tankie by the NYT Op-Ed section.
I feel like this is having a bit of a Streisand effect.
If student unions can organize with worker unions for protests/strikes that seems like a possible way we’ll get enough momentum going to think about a general strike for some long overdue reforms
If student unions can organize with worker unions
Christ, can you even imagine what the police would do in the middle of a strike wave?
Battle of Blair Mountain eat your fucking heart out.
Protests are important, but I also encourage and hope that young people who care about the world become lawyers and politicians
Protests like these are often what politicians’ lives are built on. These students will be seen on the right side of history, and to have the conviction to be jailed for it? That would get my vote.
Most importantly, I hope they don’t sell out and become shameless capitalists like all the fucking hippies did.
Nah not all the hippies did that, we just don’t hear about them because it’s not them in power. But some of them are!
The hippies were a tiny minority. They were called the counter culture for that reason. They never had a chance to make an effective larger change, because there just weren’t enough of them
Even as few as they were was enough to be a major factor in the creation of neo-conservativism in retaliation.
Or mindless capitalism.
Also because their lifestyle wasn’t conducive to a long life…
My parents are in their 70s and 80s, as are their friends. The ones that overdid it with the drugs may have shortened their lifespan, but there were/are plenty of earthy/crunchy hippies that never even did more than smell weed. My mom and her friends were/are some of them
do you know lawyers and politicians? I’ve known a lot in my professional career.
They do not care about anyone but themselves.
Can someone explain for the unread what they are doing that caused someone to “break it up?”
I understand PROTESTING but were there justifying instances of damage, looting, violence?
Please, if you’re just as uninformed as me don’t comment. There’s enough people just shouting shit these days.
Why don’t we all go join them? (Don’t want to hear your excuses I’m not accusing anyone)
Maybe we can start something.
Would love a list of protests happening in campuses near me. Not sure how to find that info.
Because fuck this nearly century-old ethno-religious blood feud.
If peace-loving people on both sides got together and decided to institute a single government that upholds the rights of all, this would end tomorrow. But they don’t. Because the reality is both sides would prefer to wallow in their anger and hate than actually solve the problem.
I’m not gonna waste my time protesting for Israelis to unilaterally impose their way on Palestinians, and I’m not gonna protest for Palestinians to unilaterally impose their way on Israelis. And no one is asking me to protest anything else. So there’s no solution, it’s all just a big waste of everyone’s time.
Agree with you. Big waste of time.
Like I said, I’m not asking for your reasons why you don’t want to. That’s on you. The rest of us should go and turn this protest into a movement. Why stop at Isreal? We have plenty of grievances. Let’s go.
I mean if everyone thinks like this nothing would ever get done and the more of us there are the faster something will come of it
I know several Jewish people who told me that they’re going to vote for Trump and the Republicans because they’re the only ones supporting them.
I know several who said they wont
First they came for the trade unionists.
https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/
You skipped a couple.
Thanks for posting the full thing!
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What a boomer question…
They want the US to stop supplying weapons to a genocidal state and actually put pressure on Israel to stop with the wanton destruction. The US is propping up it’s ally with millions of $ in bombs, missiles, and other such weapons in what are ultimately being used to murder men, women, and children that have nothing to do with this war besides live in Gaza. The IDF is murdering, raping, executing, humiliating, mauling, torturing, and harming men, women, and children. Fuck them. The US should not be supporting this sort of treatment of civilians. Did that answer your pedantic, little “gotcha” question gramps?
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Damn, if only there were more than just the two options. I mean, we stop funding genocide and then Hamas immediately wins, that’s the only possible way it could go, right?
In 6-months, Israel has killed more than 34,000 Palestinians, and wounded more than 78,000.
70% of those casualties are women and children.
Israel has destroyed more than 221,000 housing units, leaving almost half the population homeless.
Israel has decimated their civilian infrastructure, electricity, water, and sewage.
Israel has destroyed 26 hospitals, killed more than 400 healthcare workers.
Israel has destroyed every single University in Gaza, 56 different schools, and badly damaged hundreds more, leaving over half a million students without access to education.
Israel has violated international law. It has blocked foreign aid to help these people, leaving them starving, sick, destitute, and dying…
…and yet, it’s apparent that you believe that it’s okay for the IDF to do this. The fact that you even have the gall to comment on this either means that you’re so belligerently ignorant of the situation that you legitimately believe that the IDF is in the “right” here - in which case, you’re a reactionist, a weaponized pawn that merely gets angry at what they are told to be angry at (i.e. you are no better than a herded sheep)…or…this means that you legitimately think this is acceptable behaviors, and you exemplify the sickness in humanity that exists today. That wanton death and destruction is okay to you is frankly revolting, and the world will be a better place when you and people like you are gone from it.
either means that your so belligerently ignorant of the situation
You’re*
The rest of your comment was spot on
So let Hamas, a terrorist organization, run rampant on Israel right?
Instead we’re letting Israel run rampant on civilians and allowing them to slaughter thousands upon thousands and throw them in mass graves.
Fukkin boomers…
Yeah what reality do people live in where anything that happens in Gaza could ever be seen as “Hamas running rampant on Israel”?
And many of these people truly believe this.The delusion.
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Israel could exterminate every single living thing in that area in a matter of hours if they wanted to.
Oh wow they should be commended for… not being even more awful than they already are.
What a fucking braindead argument.
But they don’t because they actually value life, unlike the baby killing, house people snatching low life animals that are Hamas.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what the fuck are you even on about? Bruh, you literally describe to a T what Israel is doing and then blame Hamas. Or did I miss the 75 years of Hamas bulldozing houses for settlers?
Go cheer on Israel throwing more bodies in a mass grave and lying about the shit they find to gullible rubes.
You all need to stop believing
HamasIsraeli funded news sites and look at how they actually, and cowardly, fightIsraelthe Palestinian people.“Hamas funded news sites” lol stop, you’re (figuratively) killing me like Israel (literally) murders people in refuge camps and humanitarian corridors.
Edit: I just really have to come back and point out how stupid this comment is
because they actually value life
Because if they actually cared about human life they’d open up aid and not withhold food and water as collective punishments against the uprising caused by decades of Israel not giving a shit about Palestinian lives.
If anyone was wondering if propaganda works, just take a look at that person’s comment… This person clearly does not see Palestinians as human. Not an exaggeration this time. This is what compulsory military service (funded by the largest and most advanced military in the world) in a literal ethnostsate looks like.
Look up who funded Hamas to counter the moderate Palestinians.
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lol you really feel irrelevant
Maybe the side that has 1000x the military capabilities could respond proportionately for once in history? Maybe stop murdering children for throwing rocks at IDF soldiers? Maybe don’t indiscriminately kill women and children or bomb hospitals and schools?
Pretty straightforward.
We can start with putting a stop to supplying Israel.
