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The author wasn’t selling DLSS, they were selling a shim to make it work with Starfield. That does require original work.
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Knowing how to do the work is most of the value here. Yes, it’s easy for those of us with the knowhow, but most people do not have that.
Think of an artist who can whip up a cool drawing in about 10 minutes. It was “easy” in the moment, but only because they spent years learning and practicing the skills to make it so. You aren’t entitled to that artists labor for free just because it only took them a few minutes.
Sit your average gamer down with a copy of Starfield and
nvngx_dlss.dlland they won’t be able to do anything useful with it.It’s great that most modders and some artists like to share their work for free with the rest of the world, but the rest of us aren’t entitled to any of it.
The difference is that you only pay for an artist’s picture once.
You only have to pay for this mod once.
An artist isn’t going to continue making modifications to a painting once you’ve bought it, not unless you pay them to do so. Presuming they aren’t feeling generous with their time.
I still might choose to take a picture of my buddy’s cool drawing that he bought rather than buying my own copy. Though I agree that I am certainly not entitled to a free print at the author’s expense.
Conversely, if I bought that drawing myself and it came with reflective glass glued to the front, so that pictures turned out blurry, I might be a little annoyed. Now I can’t roll it up and put it with my other drawings without special accommodations. Also, I bought it and if I want to take a picture of it or wipe my ass with it then that is my choice. Making the life of your customers more difficult so you can make a little extra money is going to lose you some of those customers.
Not that I begrudge someone for making good money, but that dude said he is making $40k a month from his Patreon for DLSS3 mods. Does he really feel like he isn’t get paid what his time was worth, or is he just getting greedy in a community that is usually more aligned with FOSS concepts?
Honestly, 90% of programming work now is “I got X library to work inside of Y new system in Z engine”. It makes sense too - it’s exceedingly rare that it makes sense to reinvent someone else’s wheel - and at times, not insignificant to implement the right hooks.
Strange how they felt the need to pirate his non-work instead of just doing it themselves?
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There’s no need to do a search. People are paying for this product. Meaning they couldn’t find it elsewhere.
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I mean that assumes that literally everyone is going directly to Nexus Mods to look for this, which is laughable…
Things don’t need to be novel and amazing to be marketable. And if it’s that trivial, rather than pirating it people would just rewrite it. The fact that they’re stealing it means it has value.
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And starfield itself is useless without a huge stack of technology that someone else made. That’s just how software works.
Hang on. You are telling me that schooling, parenting, and growing up in a community contributed to MY knowledge. And that, magically, will influence my art? Nonsense! I am a conduit for God.
Do you copy and paste comments from reddit? I read this exact comment last night I am SURE of it
You still hang around on Reddit?
Yes. Lemmy still sucks and everybody who isn’t in niche communities knows it. Lemmy is the same article spammed across 100 communities cross posted again across 100 instances, memes for teenagers, and Star Trek memes apparently.
That’s not a “no”
I haven’t been on Reddit for weeks.
But we both know this was a pointless question.
The author wasn’t selling DLSS
So NVidia’s DLLs for DLSS are not included? (Honest question, I don’t even own the game.)
No, they are not included. The mod I use to enable it linked to a site that archives all the different DLSS DLL file versions. Honestly though, I couldn’t tell a difference between FSR2 and DLSS 3.5 in graphical fidelity nor performance (I have a 5950x and RX 3090).
In case anyone’s curious about the performance with those specs: I average around 60fps at 1440p with everything maxed out when I’m in the major city, New Atlantis (haven’t gotten to another huge hub yet). In smaller areas/indoors/in space, I get around 100fps.
Are you sure the mod you’re using is injecting DLSS3? Using the DLSS 3.5 DLL is not related to that. If it’s only injecting DLSS2, it would be entirely expected to see negligible performance difference vs. FSR2.
Not related to what? Does DLSS 3.5 not do everything DLSS 2 does and more?
“DLSS2” and “DLSS3” are not references to the version of the DLL. They are references to different output modes of the DLL, which is also backwards compatible, i.e. the 3.5 DLL can output either mode. The Starfiels mods that were available immediately at launch do not use DLSS3, or by extension frame generation. It doesn’t matter which DLL version you use
Well that’s what I’m saying. My 3090 can use 3.5 but it can’t do the frame generation feature that 3.5 is capable of, therefore the performance gain is negligible over FSR2. The mod I used did support DLSS 3 + frame gen.
I don’t know in this particular case, but the mods I have seen require you to provide the Nvidia DLL yourself.
Can you link where it says you can’t redistribute DLSS? The Dev guide states pretty clearly it’s free to use with Nvidia gpus.
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They are not distributing components of the dll. They are creating a modification of a Bethesda game which has allowed modding at the discretion of Bethesda.
The Nvidia dll is being redistributed without modification for an Nvidia GPU as exactly described.
Do you think every single game publisher negotiated a deal or paid money to ensure DLSS in their game? Can you point out any documentation outside of the direct reference to the SDK license that I linked that is in direct opposition to what your are saying? Can you point to me any discussion what so ever about paying to implement DLSS?
If it’s so trivial to do why doesn’t everyone do it on their own?
If it’s any easy mod to replicate it seems like it won’t have much self life as a paid mod.
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Your post was quicker, don’t be so ratty.
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Everyone, calm down. I am better than all of you anyway so shoo along. Go somewhere else while I sit here. Majestically. Admiring how brilliant I am in conflict resolution. Veritable peace maker, I is. Why, the UN should call me…hello? Uh. Where’d yall go?
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Yeah holy shit, fuck this thread
Suddenly paylocked mod gets pirated? Imagine my shock
It’s like downloading Limewire Pro with Limewire, totally unexpected.
I wouldnt be surprised if his patreon gets hacked or at least a cease and desist.
What do you mean you don’t wanna pay for shit I didn’t pay for either, and do so on a monthly basis??
I should be allowed to freely profit off someone else’s work because I put some amount of personally chosen free time into my modifications and therefor should have power over the consumer and the original producer!!
Oink Oink!
The modder also locked the DLSS3 mod behind a paywall, and players also pirated that 🤣
No, DLSS3 was the only one he wanted $5 for.
Dude can charge whatever he wants, and you can choose to buy it or not. Super weird and annoying responses here.
Oh man, I saw a 2,000 word rant about it on Reddit. Just such whining
As if the dude would have bothered to do it for free? Likely not.
Pay, or don’t, and then reevaluate all the things you do for free and if you have room to stand
It’s a 1 time $5 fee. People are just mad that they’re broke after buying a 4090. Frustrations should be aimed at Nvidia, not this one dude trying to make a buck
After a 4090 and A 57" Samsung G9, you couldn’t afford a 5 dollar mod either!
If you can’t afford a 5 dollar mod after dropping 5k on gear, you shouldn’t be buying the gear my man lol
People should eat less avocado toast.
Yep, and buy real estate 30 years ago
Piracy is always ethical
So the mod creator deserves nothing for their time and work?
I don’t have a problem with some mods being sold. My issue is when you price it initially for free and THEN decide later to charge money for it. That’s within your rights of course, but don’t expect people to not get pissed off enough to pirate it.
ITT: A gross misunderstanding about how mod and DLSS/RTX licencing works.
Folks act like modding is a constitutional right and not expressly allowed within TOS. Guys of Bethesda wanted to go full on piss on the community they could shut all of it MPAA style. They choose to let modders use and monitize their assets because it’s less expensive and harmful then attacking everyone e.g Nintendo. https://documents.bethesda.net/en/terms-of-service
RTX is fully redistributable without modification as long as it’s used on Nvidia hardware.
They choose to do that because the community caries their games. I wouldn’t own a single beth game if they didn’t have mod support.
And? I’m just informing everyone bitching about the legal issues who lack a fundamental understanding of the aforementioned documents.
ITT: Bitching “the old ways were better” user clearly doesn’t understand the hipocricy of charging for mods when devs didn’t pay for access themselves.
What you get to be the only person who profits? Not the companies who made the rest of the fucking game so you can copy and paste some fucking stackoverflow implementation posts?
Dev needs to get real - enjoy that bite in your ass. Fees for thee but not for me
Wat?
I understand when massive, dlc sized mods are monetized. Not when small ones are.
For example in minecraft, there was a mod with which you could pregenerate your world before making it. The creator decided to gut it and put all the good features behind his patreon.
God forbid someone make money from the things they put time into!
This isn’t anything new, there’s some community software locked behind paywalls like patreon already. Doesn’t mean we have to like it though.
Then again, DLSS is an nvidia product, so there’s a legal issue here I think.
DLSS is free to redistribute. https://developer.nvidia.com/downloads/nvidia-rtx-sdks-license-23jan2023pdf#:~:text=Further%2C the DLSS SDK and,DLSS SDK and NGX SDK.
Unless they go crazy like oracle/Java devs are encouraged to use it.
Nah it’s free to use tech, but yes the dev is indeed still charging for something that they themselves could have to pay for but don’t.
Only the mod dev gets to make money, not any of the hundreds of people (if not more) working on the base game.
Come on man it’s fine, charge the little guy, big guy make more money. It’s simple /s
Imagine putting a mod that the devs of the game it’s for can take down at any moment if they feel like it.
Imagine being dumb enough to pay for it as well!
Just use one of the 6 other DLSS bridge mods kekw.
Puredarks mods been working since day 1 for me. No issues, even with reshade.
PureDark is the modder they’re referring to. The DLSS 2 version of their mod is free, the DLSS 3 version is not.
Ah fair enough, for some reason i read a different mod submitters name. Ty for the clarification!
… supports DLSS3, a more modern upscaler that is compatible with more recent Nvidia cards.
Gotta love errors in tech articles.
Pardon my ignorance, but what’s the error?
Thats more due to Nvidia making both Frame Generation, Upscaling and the original use, Anti Aliasing (the SS in DLSS is super sampling) the same term.
Realistically, DLSS should be referred to as an anti aliasing technique(like TAA is) but it was basically colloquially hijacked to turn into an upscaling tech.
Nvidia already brands the AA different. DLAA is anti-aliasing without upscaling. DLSS is upscaling, AA, frame-generation, and soon also RT denoising.
The problem is DLSS should be the AA (as intended) and not the reverse. DLAA should have stayed DLSS and upscaling should have gotten another name.
Blame Nvidia for their purposefully misleading marketing.
Well that’s a tad pedantic. Effectively, if not technically, interpolation is upscaling.
Thats more due to Nvidia making both Frame Generation, Upscaling and the original use, Anti Aliasing (the SS in DLSS is super sampling) the same term.
Realistically, DLSS should be referred to as an anti aliasing technique(like TAA is) but it was basically colloquially hijacked to turn into an upscaling tech.
I think the Nms skins are looking great
The year is 2023. Gamers are expected to pay for the ability to utilize a feature built into their videocard. A true dystopia.
Sure modders can put stuff behind paywalls, but implementing DRM, is overkill. And it would be nice if they release month old versions for free afterwards… sSo I have to see, Starfield isn’t that old yet.
BTW, I am not really getting the FSR/DLSS situation.
Shouldn’t FSR2 be working on Nvidia gpus as well and is open source? DLSS is propritary and only works on Nvidia.
So I am not really understanding the issue here, other than customers of Nvidia not having FSR2 because Nvidia hasn’t implemented the open standard, right? So they should complain to them about it.
IMO this is a bit like the fediverse vs. other social media topic, so I would complain about people creating their own propritary stuff, that is intentionally incompatible with the fediverse, and not about people that use the fediverse API in their app, but not support some propritary API.
