• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    ITT- You’re allowed your first amendment right to protest war crimes, just not where I can see or be inconvenienced. Because all of the civil rights and anti war protests in the past 70 years that were truly successful were very polite and inconvenienced no one.

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      MLK Jr. literally wrote about this exact same thing in his Letter from Birmingham jail.

      that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’ ”

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        Yeah I remember reading that in college. He wasn’t the bland platitudes guy high schools teach.

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          He was also assassinated right after he started pivoting from civil rights to economic inequality (starting the Poor People’s Campaign). Funny coincidence, that.

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            If it were today, he would’ve “commited suicide” with a shot to the back of the head.

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        Stopping traffic on the Golden Gate bridge to protest a genocide on the other side of the planet is so far from direct action.

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          When the state responsible for the genocide is reliant on our military aid its disingenuous to refer to it as a “genocide on the other side of the planet”

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            It’s realistic. And these protesters could be realistic and maybe even effective if they tried to disrupt production of that aid we’re sending to Israel. But I’m pretty sure F-15s aren’t made on a bridge.

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              There is difference between peaceful protest and sabotage. Exactly like there is a difference between discussing with someone and punch them in the face.

              If you think people should not discuss because it’s pointless and should directly switch to punch in the face I suspect you are not necessarily the internet stranger I want to listen to

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                disrupting production is sabotage?

                disrupting production is sabotage, but disrupting the economic health of a city is…?

                at least you would be inconveniencing people that have a stake

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          I wish they cared this much about the people suffering in Sudan right now… Where’s the mass protests for those people…

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      I mean, the people they’re irritating aren’t the ones that can do anything about it. All you’re doing is pissing everyone off. Go to your state’s capitol and fuck that place up instead.

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        I mean, it sucks to get inconvenienced by stuff like this. But the goal is to make nations hurt economically for supporting the Palestinian genocide.

        Most of the other options available would probably injure or kill innocent people. Like, you’re not gonna make a difference without some casualties. Better that casualty be an afternoon instead of your life.

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            No. I assume you’re talking about Hamas.

            I don’t support them, but they exist because Israel turned Gaza into a nursery for terrorist cells. I suspect they did it on purpose. They don’t give a shit how many civilians die as a result; they need terrorists cells so they can justify their genocide to the rest of the world.

            As far as I’m concerned every drop of blood Hamas spills is on Netanyahu’s hands.

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        Pissing people off is irrelevant. You’re irrelevant. You will not be swayed. You have demonstrated that after 6 months of innocent deaths. Even if 100,000 children die. 1 million children die. You’re selfish and lazy.

        This is direct action, it’s about adding a financial cost to the government’s direction. They’ve decided supporting a genocide is more financially beneficial than pursuing justice. If we shut it all down, they’ll change their tune.

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        Interrupting labor is the most peaceful way to threaten the capitalist class. If you object to this, you advocate for more extreme measures. Be careful what you wish for.

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          This argument completely ignores the impact this has on regular people. People who end up late to pick up their kids from daycare and end up owing extra money when they can barely make ends meet as it is. Yeah, this may have some marginal impact on the capitalist class, but it will be far more painful for the employees who WILL be held accountable for being late to work and may easily end up fired, and certainly will not be paid for the time they miss. Let alone the life safety issues this type of demonstration creates. This is holding your peers ransom because of something you want and you take away their autonomy to decide whether or not to take part. If you can’t convince people to join your cause willingly, maybe your cause isn’t as good as you think it is.

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        If you want the inconvenient protests to stop, fucking join them so that the change happens quicker.

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          Right… because antagonizing and harming people is such a great way to convince them to help you.

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            Worked for Mandela and the African National Congress.

            After taking part in the unsuccessful protest to prevent the forced relocation of all black people from the Sophiatown suburb of Johannesburg in February 1955, Mandela concluded that violent action would prove necessary to end apartheid and white minority rule. Link

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        Yes I agree. A coordinated approach at all state capitals and Washington, DC would probably have more impact. This is where the people who care about reelected live and work.

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        Nah, it’s random people who are at fault. How dare they have jobs or other things to do

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          Those people aren’t at fault in any meaningful sense no. But collectively their labor keeps everything running. To interrupt labor is to interrupt the means with which the capitalist class commit their atrocities.

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        Sure we can do something about it. We can vote against anyone who supports the genocide.

        The state level goverment doesn’t have as much impact on foreign policy as federal does.

        Legislatures are persuaded by polls and bribes, not by reason or empathy.

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      Maybe I’m just fedposting, but I think probably my only objection to this protest is that it wasn’t extreme enough, and I don’t think it accomplished as much as it probably could’ve considering all the people protesting got arrested anyways. Probably a good amount of caltrops on the bridge and a bunch of cards or spray paint could’ve accomplished about the same goal, and I dunno if anyone would’ve even been arrested that way. Probably would take less in resources, too.

      That’s if you even looking at the same target, I dunno if shutting down the golden gate bridge is a great thing to hit up if you’re looking to protest gaza. I would probably think one of many even local politician’s domiciles, city halls, or lockheed martin manufacturing plants, offices, infrastructure, etc. would be better things to hit. I dunno of the economic or social impact or protesting at the golden gate bridge for what is basically an afternoon is going to put anyone under duress. Maybe the most you could say of it is that it’s a mild social escalation, which, granted, isn’t nothing, but is less direct and is harder to quantify the impact of.

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        They arrest them to clear the bridge. They tried to charge the ones in 2023 with ridiculous stuff but they eventually dropped all the charges in exchange for 5 hours community service. Don’t give them the ammo they need to actually lock up protestors.

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      Did they have a permit to protest on a public road? Freedom of assembly comes with some perfectly rational stipulations.

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        I’m sorry I didn’t see the word permit in the first amendment. I’m getting old enough to need glasses. Maybe I should try with them?

        Nope, still no such requirement.

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          That’s like arguing exceptions for hate speech shouldn’t exist since it’s not in the first amendment.

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            The US doesn’t have exceptions for hate speech. Unless you actively commit a crime while shouting it.

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          Didn’t see anything about age requirements in the second but it’s illegal to sell a gun to a kid. Crazy how things work.

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            Historically kids have never been afforded Constitutional rights. Which is kind of crazy. Almost as crazy as making the idea of kids owning guns equivalent to the bedrock right of a Democracy.

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              Just trying to show that there’s more to the rights in the Bill of Rights than just the text of the Bill of Rights.

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            To make it illegal to fight for lives vs. Fighting for right to own a gun are not the same. I guess nuance is not your forte?