The Jamie Lloyd Company has hit back after its production of Shakespeare’s “Romeo & Juliet” has been the subject of what they call a “barrage of deplorable racial abuse” aimed at an unnamed cast member.

The play, directed by Jamie Lloyd (“Sunset Boulevard”), stars “Spider-Man: No Way Home” star Tom Holland as Romeo and Francesca Amewaduh-Rivers (“Sex Education”) as Juliet.

On Friday, the Jamie Lloyd Company issued a statement, saying: “Following the announcement of our ‘Romeo & Juliet’ cast, there has been a barrage of deplorable racial abuse online directed towards a member of our company. This must stop.”

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    Following the announcement of our ‘Romeo & Juliet’ cast, there has been a barrage of deplorable racial abuse online directed towards a member of our company. This must stop.”

    I’m guessing the racist jerks complaining about the casting would be really upset if they knew that Juliet was played by a dude named Robert Goffe in the very first performance of the play in 1597. source These bigots are so busy complaining about a replacement in race for the actor playing Juliet that they’re not even consistent asking for Juliet to be played the original gender of the actor in the first performance. Where is your consistency, bigots?

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      Thanks for the historical context - I knew most of it personally but not the name of the actor who played Juliet first.

      It’s nice to know that kind of information has survived so far. History is weird like that.

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    Should have cast a male to play Juliet like the original. Wonder what the response would have been then?

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      Honestly watching Shakespeare in the cross dressing way really made me like it. They teach you Shakespeare in school by reading it, that’s stupid. That’s like studying the godfather and only reading the script and never watching the film. I hated it. Then one day I saw the actual play, done in drag and it really made the humor pop and made me finally understand what the fuck they were talking about in that script

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        Plenty of people have read The Godfather to study it.

        You’re never going to get the full authentic Shakespeare experience watching a play

        a) inside

        b) in the evening

        c) while the audience is quiet

        d) without people heckling

        e) without bear baiting, gambling, and bawdy folk songs before and after

        g) without people plying sex trade during the show

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      This is one case where I feel like choosing to make them an interracial couple actually adds to the tension and makes it relatable. The feudal politics of who marries whom? I couldn’t be more disconnected. Petty folks getting upset about a white guy and a black lady getting hitched? Now I’m getting fired up.

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    Nice job Vanity Fair. There are some racists who are whining about interracial Romeo and Juliet. Fuck them for sure. But not only is this rag trying to turn it into a scandal that it’s not, they can’t even get Francesca’s acting credit right. Sex Education and Bad Education are incredibly different shows. There are black female actors in Sex Education but Vanity Fair sure can’t tell the difference between them and her.

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    Romeo+Juliet is the perfect story for a mixed-race couple, given that the story is about the original is about how their relationship isn’t accepted by their families. Also for any other kind of relationship dipshit assclowns hate.

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    “Unnamed cast member”? Is it that they think we’re really stupid, or that it’s actually not people complaining about the black Juliet, and they want to make it look like it is?

    How bizarre…

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      “towards a member of our company”

      This is the actual quote, not from Variety.

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        I know, the “they” in my comment is the Jamie Lloyd Company. Super weird to be willing to say the nature/motivation of the abuse is racism, but then be unwilling to name which cast member it is, if it is in fact Amewaduh-Rivers.

        Something is not adding up.

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            It also doesn’t matter what kind of abuse it is, all abuse is deplorable regardless.

            But they made a point of saying it was racial abuse. And they also made a point of not naming the one being abused, which is basically unheard of in an article like this.

            Come on. It’s weird.

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              Naming abuse victims enables further abuse.

              Not naming them was the correct thing to do, unless it is your goal to get them abused even more.

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                Naming abuse victims enables further abuse.

                So…like…you think racists are reading this article chomping at the bit to find out who is black so they can attack them but since there is no name that has kept them safe? The people who WOULD have attacked based on this article don’t bother to just google the cast?

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                  It’s to point the attention at the abuse rather than the abused. Much like in cases which go to court, victims aren’t often explicitly named to protect them unless they volunteer to make themselves public so that others will come forward.

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                  The people who WOULD have attacked based on this article don’t bother to just google the cast?

                  Why bother? Every single article I’ve seen after some quick googling, 4 out of 4, has a huge pic of Holland and Amewaduh-Rivers front and center on the page.

                  Even the densest racist can glean the information, it’s being handed to them, lol.

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                I’m not talking about whether you should or shouldn’t, just noticing that every single other time there’s a situation like this, the victim IS named. This is definitely a pretty unique circumstance.

                But the point stands–if indeed their aim was to keep attention off the abused, why even put out a public statement about it at all, given the fact that this cast has a headlining member that is very conspicuously of a different race than what the average schmoe would expect? Isn’t that antithetical to that goal, then?

                ‘We don’t want to bring any negative attention to this victim of racial abuse by naming them–this victim of racial abuse in this run of Romeo & Juliet where Juliet is played by a black woman.’

                I mean, come on, lol.

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                  So I get what you’re saying. It seems obvious who is receiving the abuse so why not just say it?

                  But it’s not about keeping a secret (IMO). It’s about not putting all of the attention on the one person over and over again by stating the victims name over and over again and singling them out. (If it was me, I would hate it and feel much more alone)

                  Instead here it’s a group being mentioned which should hopefully spread the hate out. Maybe it won’t work but nothing else really has either when this happens. And at least maybe the person will feel supported.

                  I’m not sure why you feel they shouldn’t have said anything though? The racism is very public so not saying something publicly would be wierd right?

                  Also I feel like people are forgetting that maybe the victim okayed all this and wants it to go this way?

                  Maybe not but I feel like you can find the reasoning behind these decisions if you try to see it from other angles.

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                  Usage of language is important. As has been mentioned, it doesn’t repeatedly mention her name as it isn’t necessary.

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          No, this is how you properly show solidarity.

          An attack against a single cast member is an attack against the entire company.

          They are saying “it doesn’t matter who they attacked. Racism against our cast member is racism against us all because we are a family that stands with a single purpose, speaks with a single voice.”

          And if it only redirects 1% of the aggression away from the intended target and towards the white cast members instead, then it is worth it.

          That’s how you be a good ally

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            No, this is how you properly show solidarity.

            An attack against a single cast member is an attack against the entire company.

            This would hold water if they didn’t go out of their way to say it was race-motivated abuse.

            They did, so it doesn’t.

            if it only redirects 1% of the aggression away from the intended target and towards the white cast members instead, then it is worth it.

            lmao, this sentiment is the exact opposite of solidarity, and invokes the fundamentally-racist ‘white savior’ trope, to boot.

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              white savior trope

              I and other white allies literally stood in front of police with crowd control weapons when my black friends yelled ‘white shield’ during the BLM protests in Seattle but tell me more 🤣 I’m nobody’s savior but I do know how to use my privilege for the benefit of others

              This would hold water if they didn’t go out of their way to say it was race-motivated abuse.

              So the options are “don’t reference the racism at all” or “name the victim”? Fuck outta here with that shit.

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                I and other white allies literally stood in front of police with crowd control weapons when my black friends yelled ‘white shield’ during the BLM protests in Seattle but tell me more

                Apparently, I do need to tell you more, since you clearly don’t understand that the fact that your black friends were literally verbally encouraging you, makes the above the literal opposite of “white savior”.

                So the options are “don’t reference the racism at all” or “name the victim”?

                No, the point is that those are effectively identical (since she is the only known black cast member), so why would you do one and not the other? Either do both, or neither. They also went out of their way to say there was exactly one victim. Why? Why do that, if their goal is not to clearly identify the one and only person who fits all of the criteria they put out?

                That’s weird, bottom line. If you asked me what 2 + 2 is and I was willing to tell you it was “the number that’s half of 8”, but I refused to say “4”, wouldn’t you think that was weird of me?

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              This would hold water if they didn’t go out of their way to say it was race-motivated abuse.

              Why would they ignore what it is? I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.

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            They already DID highlight her! That’s my point–they put a massive spotlight on her, by both going out of their way to specify the particular type of abuse, and also going out of their way to say that one and only one cast member was receiving the abuse. They’ve directly contradicted their own ridiculous pretense of ‘not naming names’ by doing literally everything they can to clearly identify her as the victim, and then bizarrely refusing to plainly say she’s the victim.

            All of the people in this chain saying “why does she have to be named”: why aren’t any of you asking “why does the fact that it’s exactly one victim need to be specified” or “why does the fact that the online abuse was racially motivated”? None of these three DON’T act to identify the victim. You clearly don’t mind if the victim is identified since you don’t have a problem with those other two. So why are people biting my head off simply for pointing out it’s weird that they did the latter two and not the former?

            It’s like if someone asked how many of something you have, and your answer is “the amount is an odd integer between 4 and 6” instead of “5”. It’d be perfectly reasonable to ask in response “why the hell didn’t you just say 5?”

            lol

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              You are focused on entirely the wrong point. Why are you attempting to distract from the issue?

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                If you read an article about a guy who murdered his wife that had a timeline, and it read ‘he woke up, took a shower, ate 23 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and then he shot his wife’–would it be “distracting from the issue” to comment about the obvious bizarre element there? To comment on that is not equivalent to trivializing the murder. Weird thing sticks out, someone who noticed points it out. That’s all, it ain’t that deep.

                I’m not trying to distract from anything, holy shit. All I did was point out a strange element I identified in the article. The top level comment in this chain is mine, so you can’t even accuse me of derailing someone else’s, lol. If you don’t want to talk about this particular bit, post your own top-level comment and move on. Don’t whine at me here about it.

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                  I’m the one whining after you wrote yet more paragraphs about everything but the issue? I said distracting, not derailing.

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    what is it their first day on the internet? Did their grandma write this article? Yeah no shit it must stop. So should the death threats for just existing as a woman and LBGTQ2+. have they tried reporting it to the mods? That’s essentially what the only recourse that has been suggested the past two decades for the rest of us.

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    A story about a grown man loving a little girl? That’s fine. Make one of them have a different skin color than me and hoo boy do we have a problem (/s)

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      I thought Romeo was a teenager too? I mean, the difference in age should be around 3 years they are supposed to be 13 and 16, although the age of Romeo is really never specified, I wouldn’t say it’s that problematic.

      I find Anakin and Padme, or Bella and Edward more problematic, and there’s not much outrage for those.

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        Padme is 6 years older than Anakin, and only just. I suppose the image of Episode I stuck in people’s mind, but they only started dating when Anakin was in his late teens.

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    Ok sure. But is it a lot of people, or is it some randoms on Twitter? And they use it as publicity.

    Honestly. Who gives a fuck about a new Romeo and Juliet play anyways?

    My bet is this is a publicity campaign to boost the interest for the film.

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        Ok w/e. Didn’t know if it was a film of the play or only a play. Doesn’t matter really.

        I highly doubt many people have strong feelings about it. Maybe a couple of ass hats.