This community got removed from lemmy.world (again) - Divisions by zero
lemmy.dbzer0.com
This is another post that alerted me of this. https://lemmy.world/post/13287681 [https://lemmy.world/post/13287681] And here is the modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity [https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity]

This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

  • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    823·
    9 months ago

    Great thing about the fediverse is that you have options when admin/moderation actions occur that you don’t agree with. If Reddit were to remove /r/piracy then we’d have no recourse

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      9 months ago

      Very true…as long as the federation of servers remains as it is now, but I’m increasingly worried it won’t.

      I mean, yes, Dbzer0 still exists, and yes, you can access it from other instances, but Lemmy.world is the biggest one and users here being cut off from it from here will strangle the amount of activity it gets. Visibility is important for the health of other instances and their communities. There’s a good reason why alternative subreddits never outgrow the main ones.

      There’s also a sentiment among some admins and some of the contributors to both Lemmy and the Sublinks project that feels like it runs counter to the premise of Lemmy as whole: an unwillingness commit to a truly shared space or adhere to a standard for what federation is supposed to mean. Instances are not only encouraged to do whatever, they’re being given more tools to. And that’s good for fighting spam, child porn, and malicious instances, but it doesn’t stop there.

      I really hope an app or frontend comes along at some point that will seamlessly combine instance accounts and “fill in the blanks” created by instance admins so users can have a clear picture of Lemmy, regardless of the instance they’re on.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        I mean, yes, Dbzer0 still exists, and yes, you can access it from other instances, but Lemmy.world is the biggest one and users here being cut off from it from here will strangle the amount of activity it gets. Visibility is important for the health of other instances and their communities. There’s a good reason why alternative subreddits never outgrow the main ones.

        Yes and no. While it’s true that piracy might not get “drive-by” traffic from l.w. users, those users who become aware of it, or who want to access it will be forced to create an account elsewhere than l.w. which will also help with redistributing users to smaller instances.

    • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
      14·
      9 months ago

      I did that the last time and moved here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      Better management, no censorship, better uptimes and quicker upgrades, no need to look back (I moved “momentarily”).

    • Lemonparty@lemm.eeEnglish
      722·
      9 months ago

      Reddit syndrome still affects a lot of users here, who view having multiple accounts on different answers as an inconvenience instead of a feature of the platform design. The irony is that tons of users on Reddit had lots of accounts without batting an eye, but that extra step of having to lick a new instance is just SO complicated.

      • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        275·
        9 months ago

        It is an inconvenience. Having to track which account can view which communities, with all the drama and defederation happening each week isn’t easy.

        • Lemonparty@lemm.eeEnglish
          10·
          9 months ago

          Picking a better instance for your main is most advisable. Users can accept that the primary benefit of a free and open source federated service can also sometimes inconvenience them, or they cannot. Complaining about the core mechanic of the technology that literally cannot change is silly IMO. Corporate owned centralization leads to enshittification. Your account age indicates that you know that first hand.

      • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
        49·
        9 months ago

        It’s a major inconvenience and I’ll stick to one. If it can’t be accessed from Lemmy.world it’s not really my problem tbh and I’ll just act like it doesn’t exist.

        • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          I’ve never noticed any defederation from my instance or drama aside from the main posts talking about it, and if you came here interested in a piracy community it’s good for that, lemmy.dbzer0.com. “Lemmy.World” seems to be where all the drama happens hah. I have only ever made one account, interact with several different instances without issue. I agree using several accounts would be annoying.

      • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        91·
        9 months ago

        I can see it just fine. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

        Making a new account isn’t difficult; I chose my instance specifically because I wanted access to that particular community.

          • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            81·
            9 months ago

            I mean, dbzer0 is the one I actively use, so that one. It’s an anarchist instance, it’s the one that hosts the community, and I happen to align with the prevelant way of thinking, which made the decision fairly easy.

  • lorty@lemmy.mlEnglish
    339·
    9 months ago

    When “reddit outside of reddit” does reddit things 🫨

    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      33·
      9 months ago

      To be fair, Rudd is just a hobbyist who runs .world in his spare time. If he’s getting legal pressure, he’s probably going to cover his ass. He’s not a company with a legal dept. He’s a guy with a family and a day job.

      • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
        32·
        9 months ago

        Another problem is .world part of US-centric instance

    • PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.worldEnglish
      72·
      9 months ago

      When the people using a free service you’re not obligated to provide try and shame you for not taking on multimillion dollar legal departments.

      • lorty@lemmy.mlEnglish
        32·
        9 months ago

        The communities they banned are only for the discussion of piracy(whick is legal). There are no copyrighted material hosted in any of them.

        • PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          9 months ago

          It doesn’t matter if they’re blessed by the Pope himself. The people who run the instance get to decide what moves through it.

          • lorty@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            9 months ago

            Yes, and I can voice my dissatisfaction with it. I’m not sure what your point is other than trying to tell me to shut up in a more verbose way.

  • daniskarma@lemmy.worldEnglish
    267·
    9 months ago

    Sad that antipiracy laws are in place.

    But understandable that lemmy.world protect themselves against those unfair laws.

    The sailing will continue, but, as always, we should be wary of the “navy” and sail with precaution.

  • DABDA@lemmy.worldEnglish
    163·
    9 months ago

    EDIT: dbzer0 had nothing to do with this ban, it was done by a Lemmy.World admin.

    I updated my post after another user stated that it wasn’t lemmy.world admins that performed the ban but the db0 team that did. I can’t say with certainty that’s actually the case since the modlog is pretty opaque and I don’t have full knowledge of how [federated] actions are propagated & displayed.

    I (incorrectly?) assumed since those communities had existed for so long on the dbzer0 instance they had at least tacit approval from the admins there and were in communication with them enough that a full ban wouldn’t occur – when I saw the removal in the modlog I didn’t even consider that possibility.

    Sorry for kicking up drama here if the Lemmy.World team had no part in this :(

    • Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      231·
      9 months ago

      When you check the mod logs and filter by mod you can see that it came from Mr. Kaplan which is a lemmy.world admin.

      So yes it was a lemmy.world decision. The question is whether or not this admin was a lone actor.

  • NutWrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
    185·
    9 months ago

    The pirates will simply move to another Lemmy Instance and re-create the group there. This is the advantage of having a decentralized platform: so one person or small group of people can’t ruin things for the rest of us.

  • Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3531·
    9 months ago

    Did they really do it again, fucking hell. I came here for a better experience then Reddit and I feel like it’s starting to be a worse experience then Reddit. Transparency from admin my ass.

    • glimse@lemmy.worldEnglish
      265·
      9 months ago

      …if your metric is admin transparency, how the hell do you figure that Lemmy is worse than Reddit…?

      I feel like Lemmy falls short in a lot of ways but transparency is not one of them

    • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.mlEnglish
      47·
      9 months ago

      Try a better instance. Lemm.ee and Lemmy.ml are both run by competent techies and less knee jerk intolerance to anything other than the prevailing opinion there.

      • laverabe@lemmy.worldEnglish
        63·
        9 months ago

        .ml is terrible. They actively ban people who aren’t tankies. Reasonable discussion is not allowed there. If there is one instance that should be defederated it is .ml

        • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.mlEnglish
          22·
          9 months ago

          I’m not a tankie, and I haven’t been banned.

          You sure you’re not confused with lemmygrad?

          • laverabe@lemmy.worldEnglish
            32·
            9 months ago

            Yes I know a lot of people on .ml are not tankies but .ml admin is repeatedly banning anti tankie discussion. See my other comment above. Look at the modlogs and you’ll find people being banned for critical thinking. I blocked the instance because Lemmy <> lemmy.ml . The code can always be forked.

            User accounts can be migrated to new instances with version 19

    • Fapper_McFapper@lemmy.worldEnglish
      936·
      9 months ago

      You’ve hit the nail on the head. The Lemmy experience is quickly beginning to sour. They’ve received an influx of trolls and I’ve run into a few moderators now that seem to be taking harsh actions. Maybe Lemmy isn’t for me after all.

      • FMT99@lemmy.worldEnglish
        213·
        9 months ago

        Hey it’s a free world. You’re welcome to migrate to a different instance. Heck why not run your own? That’s the power of the fediverse. Or just head back to Reddit.

      • WanderingVentra@lemm.eeEnglish
        41·
        9 months ago

        Same, but if you’re used to the more moderated nature of lemmy.world, just be aware that lemm.ee isn’t as quick to defederate from other instances. Personally, for me that’s a plus, and it’s the reason I chose this instance. Bring on hexbear, lemmy grad, and exploding heads. I don’t care. I want to hear what everyone has to say, and I can block people or instances if I have to (through Lemmy and the apps I use like Sync and Voyager). But if you don’t want to, there are lots of other instances that defederate from those places but still federate to the piracy instance.

  • denast@lemm.eeEnglish
    31·
    9 months ago

    Well this comment section was an interesting read. Interesting how many comments still bend the discussion towards bashing lemmy.ml and defederating from it. People, it’s not even the topic of this post?

    Also it seems like very few actually read the post beyond the title? The problem is not lemmy.world banning the piracy community, they have the right to do so, that’s how federation works. The problem is them making a promise to make announcements about such bans in advance, but they instead did it quietly in the background again.