Sweden has formally joined NATO as the 32nd member of the transatlantic military alliance, ending decades of post-World War II neutrality and centuries of broader non-alignment.
  • GiddyGap@lemm.eeEnglish
    643·
    9 months ago

    Good. Sweden has very strong military capabilities with their Total Defense strategy. They also have very advanced weapons development and a huge defense industry, including their Gripen fighter jets. NATO got a lot stronger today.

    • kaffiene@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      Yes. Also blame the members of the security council for preventing the UN being effective in solving global conflicts. Ideally, NATO wouldn’t be necessary

      • hansl@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        9 months ago

        Disagree. UN is a diplomacy tool, NATO is a defense organization. Entirely different goals, and if UN was a defense organization something else would have filled the void for diplomacy and you’d say UN wouldn’t be necessary.

        You don’t play diplomacy with your friends. And you cannot get your enemies to sit down if you’re aiming a gun at them. The UN not having teeth is the point.

  • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.eeEnglish
    39·
    9 months ago

    Not Post WWII, it’s Post Napoleon neutrality, the 6th coalition was the last hurrah of Swedish involvement in continental affairs, and thus the beginning of their extended neutrality in such affairs.

    • Ann Archy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      If feels peculiar. Like when you are the little brother of some guy and he brings you into their club and you become like their mascot or something.

      • Ann Archy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        This has happened exactly zero times in the one thousand year history of Sweden. Except for when the Danes came, but they got disposed of.

        • kaffiene@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          You’re right. Go tell them they have nothing to fear from Putin because the Shield Of History is protecting them. Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, USA et al should all dispand all of their defense forces because they’ve never been invaded before so of course, history protects them too

          • Ann Archy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            Ok, I’m not the one to call strawman on people, I strawman all the time, but holy strawman batman.

            • kaffiene@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              9 months ago

              No. It’s not a strawman. I’m not making a claim about your argument, I’m being sarcastic

  • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    9 months ago

    Technically it’s not “post-WWII neutrality”, since this specific neutrality began when Sweden declared its neutrality in September 1939, which isn’t after WWII, but pre/during.

    • kautau@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20·
      9 months ago

      It’s wild watching all the “human entropy” build up at the same time to hit in a really shitty fruition of shittiness. Religious conflict and genocide in Gaza, hottest planet records month after month, Russia/china/North Korea building up for WW3, a massive rise in fascism across western nations, with a culmination in this year’s US presidential election, unprecedented corporate profits as inflation skyrockets, AI companies abandoning ethics for financial gains as the LLMs rapidly grow in capability

      It’s like Murphy’s law hitting the planet all at once, we’d just need some new COVID super strain to hit right as WW3 kicks off to be the cherry on top

      • tsonfeir@lemm.eeEnglish
        22·
        9 months ago

        I think Covid actually delayed it! I don’t think we will be as “lucky” if a second round comes.

        • kautau@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          Ironically it’s like it delayed it to occur when everything else is beginning to rear its head. Everyone was so focused on Covid they couldn’t be shitty for a little bit. Not anymore. WW3 is one thing, WW3 with a fascist, fractured west is another

      • sheogorath@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        9 months ago

        Sell all of your assets and build a self-sufficient ranch on New Zealand. Looking at WW3 projections it’s going to be one of the places untouched by a nuclear war and won’t feel the effects of a nuclear winter as harsh as other places. Hmm, it looks like that the billionaires building their doomsday bunkers at New Zealand has the same idea.

    • Davidchan@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      141·
      9 months ago

      NATO is strictly a defensive alliance so any power that did start WW3 would be pretty damn stupid to be aggressive against NATO. And better for everyone this way, rather than give Russia a chance to chew up Eastern Europe country by country like they tried against Ukraine, Georgia and Chechnia.