Although it isn’t really shown, Odo is nonbinary by definition isn’t he?
Gender: fluid
This is what my brain meant, but I am enjoying some consumption.
Not necessarily. It’d be for how he views himself. While the shapeshifters kinda’ explore the concept in some episodes, it may be fair to assume they identify as they present, because they can literally present how they want.
Granted, I could see Odo having some odd identity issues with presenting to please others or over duty to his job more than personal identity given his upbringing…
Did they explore his gender identity in that episode(s) or did they leave it all allegory? Ugh it was so long ago… Maybe time for a rewatch.
As far as I know, Odo is a masculine Shapeshafter. It also use the identity of the one who study him, it was his choice to be like that most of the time.
He present male and has had relationships with women. But he can present any way he likes. And the founders maybe don’t even have gender… so not even binary.
The founders dont even necessarily have a particular body. They may just reserve X amount of biomass on leaving the link.
Eh, the ability to present any gender he likes isn’t what it means to be nonbinary. Presumably anyone in the 24th century has that ability.
I more ment, no gender biologically. Just a single ehm… gender?
I think the word you’re looking for is sex.
What definition is that? Assigned nonbinary at birth? The fact that he could choose to present as nonbinary but presents as male is pretty telling, imo.
Quark is a straight white male, or my name isn’t Jeremiah Paxton
He’s a straight green goblin.
This is acceptable
Ah yes gender politics, only thing missing from Star Trek themed discussion.
Naw it’s not missing. Always been there.
Isn’t cis another word for straight?
I honestly don’t know, just askingWell, trans as a root means across from, or on the other side of.
Cis means on this side of. Both are from latin roots.
When using it in gender discussions, it means someone that isn’t trans, aka the gender normative, aka the folks that match in terms of inner and outer gender expression.
Cisgender started out as a term back in the nineties, as a way to be able to refer to the majority that are gender normative with a simpler term when discussing transgender/transexual issues. As you can see, it is incredibly cumbersome to describe the cisgender people of the world without using cis. Pain in the ass when you’re writing or talking about the subject. And the nineties are when that kind of discussion became more prevalent.
There’s also the fact that people have put unnecessary weight to the word “normal”, and tend not to understand the word normative. Because of the way normal has been used for a very long time now, despite it really meaning something that’s typical, any use of it implies that everything else is abnormal in a bad way rather than just not typical. Largely because in most fields, abnormal is a bad thing. Abnormal blood work as an example.
So, we have heteronormative and cisnormative for the straights and non trans people behaving in typical ways for those groups as well as cisgender meaning aligning with one’s nominative gender.
Now, can cis be used to denote “straight” people? Kinda, but not really. It would be a very unusual usage because straight in terms of non normative sexuality being discussed almost always refers to sexual orientation. Using cis to mean straight isn’t unreasonable, particularly since you’ll run into situations where gay people and trans people might just use straight as a shorter word for cis-hetero. But you won’t see that in anything but casual settings because of the very confusion you’re dealing with. Most of my close friends are gay or otherwise under the lgbtq+ heading, and I’ve never actually heard anyone use cis as a synonym for straight, but I have heard “straights” used as a term that includes cis.
Yay for language!
Interesting and still confusing haha.
Thank you for taking the time, I learned a little today.Tldr:
Cis: I got a dick, I look like a guy, I also feel this way inside.
Cis: I got a vagina, I look like a girl, I also feel this way inside.
NB/trans: any number of these combinations do not match the same way as above.
Dammit. Nothing worse than someone giving a better explanation lol.
Ha naw not better than yours just ELI5’d it
Cis refers to gender identity where as straight refers to their sexuality.
Thanks, that makes sense
This is like when you cool things down to such a low temperature that they start acting like they’re super hot.
It’s similar in that they’re both arbitrary linguistic distinctions that do not apply under most circumstances (and indeed barely capture the phenomenon in the first place), reveal holes in our understanding of reality that even experts are largely unprepared to deal with, and have no practical, usable effects or results (although I’d love to know what the gay equivalent of superconduction is - is “superfluid” a gender?)
i think he’s assuming there’s a difference between cis and straight but is too gay to know for sure
Don’t try to insult people just for asking a question.
This is wishful thinking. It was made within a heteronormative society, and most characters who have love interests and relationship histories are hence straight.
Unless stated or shown it’s far more of a head cannon to assume a queer identity where none is suggested.
No media can fully escape the culture, period, and context it was created in.
