• Melt@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    Single player games with retro graphic were enough to keep me entertained for hours when I was young. I can’t imagine how it’s like for the kids nowadays to have access to all the entertainment the internet provides.

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      And the adults back then bitched and moaned about how we were rotting our brains doing this instead of playing outside or reading or other activities they approved of.

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        Right? Before that it was tv. Before that it was rock and roll. I was actually told to go outside more because I was READING TOO MUCH. Idk why everyone feels like their way of entertainment is better than everyone else’s. It’s so weird that we can’t let people enjoy themselves unless they do it our way.

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    Maybe a hot take, but this goes for everyone. I see older people that can’t stay off their phones, and have little to no ability to multitask while doing it.

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      Nobody can multi task. I wish this stupid myth would die.

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        “I’m good at multitasking” is just another way of saying you can’t focus on one thing at a 🐿️ SQUIRREL!

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          Your statement is just another way of saying ‘Since I can’t do it, nobody can, and people who claim to are liars’.

          You do know that skilled chess masters can run multiple games at once, right?

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            They don’t make a move in each game at the same time though, the moves are still made separately and sequentially. Almost like they are alternating between tasks…

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        Can’t upvote this enough, I have had ppl literally bragging to me about their ability to “multi-task” 🙄

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        10 months ago

        What about the left brain right brain simultaneous use, like people drawing two pieces of art at once or like how I can walk and be on my phone while being completely aware of my surroundings.

        Sometimes my brain is thinking in one space and my body is doing another. Like I hit auto pilot and stepped away from the cabin, yet the plane is still flying.

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        Its pretty funny how people will take a single low-population college paper over the evidence of their own experience.

        I multitask daily, I have to it’s part of my job.

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      10 months ago

      Where I live older people don’t know how turn on phone. They watch tv instead. Those who have some sanity left also go outside, sit on benches, talk with each other and keep your bike from being stolen.

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    The problem is we want/are forced to let kids to have access to the big internet pipe but we also dont, we want to moderate what gets through.

    I feel like most adults struggle with maintaining boundries on usage let alone kids. I do not like the antagonistic arelationship between child and parent that smartphones naturally create. I think a dumb phone and some other machine “to fill the void” and “to not feel left out” is the correct solution at least for me.

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    I’m disappointed that most people seem to treat kids as subhuman, not needing the basic right privacy and freedom that they want for adults so much.

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      “Because never in my entire childhood did I feel like a child. I felt like a person all along - the same person that I am today. I never felt that I spoke childishly. I never felt that my emotions and desires were somehow less real than adult emotions and desires.”
      —Orson Scott Card, Ender’s Game

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        It’s important to note that a big part of that book is repeated evidence that Ender is not a “normal” child. He is heavily implied to have murdered one of his bullies before he was ever pulled out of society and into training (where he explicitly kills another bully).

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      They don’t want the right to privacy and freedom for adults either though. Sure they might say they do if you ask them but as soon as they’re mildly inconvenienced by a protest or someone mentions children are in danger they’re all in favour of spying and censorship laws

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      Do people even use the term young adult anymore?

      Infantising of adults I think is a huge issue we have in society.

      It was the case that 16 was defacto adulthood in years gone by. Now I hear people saying you aren’t an adult till 25 or 30! If there are 25 year old wandering around that aren’t adults it’s a failing of the parents and society.

      In school when we hit ~16 we got treated entirely differently, the teachers talked to us instead of parents, we was in control of our time. They joked with us. It really made me grow up because I got treated like a grown up.

      Same thing with scouts and rugby when I was younger, being pushed to be responsible made me grow. As eduction improves overtime we should be making more capable 18 year old not less.

      *when I use the term young adult I mean ~16. Apparently young adult can also mean 18-25 but I’ve never seen it used in that context before.

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    But how will they ever stop these children from just walking into a store and buying a £500 phone and signing their own service contracts ?

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    I never got a smartphone until 9th grade and it never really affected me that much. Then again, I was the oddball kid who pretty much never used social media outside of yt.

    But nowadays social media is so garbage and same goes for maybe 97% of yt, so I can see why parents don’t want their kids having a smartphone. Having pretty much instant access to services designed to keep you on their platform while also making you depressed over the life you could be living but aren’t is never a good idea, especially for impressionable teens trying to find their place in the world.

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    Uncool boomers be like: “It’s the damn phones”, when they’ve created cities where 2+ tons of metal can freely roam around wherever they like. They’ve created cities where kids cannot go anywhere on their own without being run over by these said metal beasts.

    But ofc uncle Kevin, “It’s dem damn phones. Can you at least look at me instead of scrolling through Facebook when I’m talking to you?”

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      It seriously is part ‘those damn phones’.

      I was a kid long before smart devices, cities were the same urban hellscapes.

      Instant gratification from unknown sources under the direction of a 9 year old is a serious problem and people like you who pretend its not are probably part of the generation damaged most by it.

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        Instant gratification from unknown sources under the direction of a 9 year old is a serious problem and people like you who pretend its not are probably part of the generation damaged most by it.

        Eh, I have to agree begrudgingly. I remember having this discussion with someone I know about mental health post smartphones. We came across a few studies tracking mental health of adolescents for the past few decades. To compensate for lack of data (due to lack of mental health awareness, yadayadayada), they tried to inductively predict this missing data using various factors. The interesting part however was the increase in mental health issues in the early 2010s. Now of course, while their data might be quite error prone, I think it makes sense logically.

        1. More exposure to fked up world events (like Gaza, Ukraine, lack of climate action and so on) leads to one being depressed of course.
        2. In my experience, faceless trolls are much worse than in person bullies.

        So yeah, I do agree with you. The situation is not black and white. Unfortunately, the uncool boomers (sorry for the lame term,-I use it to not generalize all boomers) do not see it that way. Banning smartphones in schools is one of the stupidest things to do. Uncool boomers purely blame smartphones, and almost always engage dialog in bad faith. It’s mudslinging basically.

        Now, if I present a nuanced opinion here, it won’t be considered at all. Essentially similar to the “leftist long paragraph” meme. Therefore, to combat this, mudslinging back is most effective. At least it drives home some idea (in this case, the idea of walkable city design). Is this bad faith? Yea, unfortunately. But does it make sense to try to have a good faith dialog with someone who doesn’t want to have one?

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          1. More exposure to fked up world events (like Gaza, Ukraine, lack of climate action and so on) leads to one being depressed of course.

          What should I do if I live somewhere where fucked up event happens now? Or what kid in Belgorod/Odessa should do?

          1. In my experience, faceless trolls are much worse than in person bullies.

          People have different experiences. Mine is opposite. It happens.

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            What should I do if I live somewhere where fucked up event happens now? Or what kid in Belgorod/Odessa should do?

            Suffer. Studies like these are American/European centric in the first place. Their sample size never includes other countries (not because the researchers are evil lmao, but because they want to isolate this “phone factor”). A kid in Odessa is most likely suffering from the war today rather than suffering from the effects of Instagram.

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          Sorry no, there have been several studies about the negative mental health impacts of always on social media life in teens but you just like muddying the waters so you pretend it’s anyone’s game and give a backhand at the end of your drivel.

          Pretty sophisticated but still just forum sliding bullshit.

          Edit: ITT people butthurt about being called out on their toxic social media habits

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            Sorry no, there have been several studies about the negative mental health impacts of always on social media life in teens but you just like muddying the waters so you pretend it’s anyone’s game and give a backhand at the end of your drivel.

            I haven’t come across these, but I don’t deny their existence. I just wrote down what I’ve come across myself. I already agreed with you on this point.

            Pretty sophisticated but still just forum sliding bullshit.

            I’m sorry that you feel that way. But as you demonstrated just now, you are not interested in engaging in good faith. You are still stuck on the “social media bad” train, when I already agreed with you on that. This is exactly what I mean by mudslinging. People just want to repeat certain phrases again and again, progressively louder and louder while vomiting ad hominems left and right.

            It isn’t “forum sliding” if the topic is indeed that complex. But as I stated before, you are not ready to move on from “social media bad”. Hence, how can one engage in good faith in such a scenario?

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      Is it the boomers this time? I remember millennials thinking that about zoomers and now they’ve grown up, zoomers have been saying it about Gen Alpha calling them iPad babys

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        People say many things. It doesn’t change the fact that the ruling class is largely boomers. Hence, addressing the most influential voting class doesn’t seem so absurd to me.

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      This is the wrong take but it’s a part of it for sure.

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      Not all doomers did it. But those who didn’t were communists.

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    I don’t really see phones as a problem, it’s the rampant social media and ads that are the problem and unfortunately it’s too intertwined with society/technology to undo it at this point.

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      They can get bullied for not having phones, they can get bullied through phones and social media. They can get bullied for not having stupid ass Fortnite skins. Anything is an excuse for shitty kids who want to bully,

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        I don’t give a shit, don’t get them anything. Make them wear raggedy clothes and not use deodorant, I’m sure they will be fine