Let’s see, in the 80s we rapidly moved much of our technology manufacturing to China, and now we’re shocked that China has this knowledge?
but hey we crushed labor unions and nobody can afford anything anymore except rich people. Win-win-win
Look out! That Pikachu manufactures semiconductors!
Summoning demons can be risky eh Nanashi
That’s because the Chinese experience was very peculiar. When American and European investors and industry giants went abroad to outsource manufacturing, they brought in the capital and left with the profits. But the capital, and technology or knowledge, never spread in the colonies or neo-colonies. When China “opened up”, they were real clever about it. They said: “sure, you can open your factories here where there is an abundance of cheap labor. But in exchange, we want the knowledge and technology”. And since opening up China to foreign capital has been the wet dream of capitalists and proto-capitalists for the past several hundreds of years, they accepted the deal. So China was left with the know-how to be able to set-up their own national industries. And the profits of exporting manufactured goods was used for strategic industries and infrastructure, unlike most colonial and neo-colonial experiences where the profits are just pocketed by a national bourgeoisie.
And the profits of exporting manufactured goods was used for strategic industries and infrastructure, unlike most colonial and neo-colonial experiences
that’s because most colonial/neo-colonial experiences are about raw resources extrativism
where the profits are just pocketed by a national bourgeoisie.
there quite a few billionaires in China
There sure are billionaires in China. But they don’t control the political structure like the billionaires do in the US. They are controlled by the political structure. When has it been the last time the US or EU executed a billionaire for harming the environment?
Holup. So they did it for the experience and that’s working for them?
Yeah na
Every time a factory opens in 3rd world the knowledge partially stays.
They just outright broke laws and stole shit.
Chinese are just a lot less honourable and trustworth. If they scam you that’s your fault for being stupid, nothing wrong with scamming someone.
Holy shit… bro please don’t be racist like this in public. You should keep this shit to your brain and feel deep shame for it. No one ever taught you that?
The Chinese didn’t break any laws or “steal” anything. China had different copyright laws, and western companies agreed to share technology as part of their agreements with the CPC to operate in the SEZs. If they didn’t want China to have the tech, they could’ve just not taken the deals and go build their factories in India, or Bangladesh, or Malaysia etc.
And what you describe as the “Chinese mentality” is just literally capitalist logic, aka, psychopathy. It’s projection. The Chinese are winning, so you assume they are the apex capitalists, the Patrick Batemans. But you couldn’t be more wrong. They are winning by finding a different game, and playing it better. The rest of the world is following their lead, and your place on the board is soon to be extinct. So you panic and turn to dumbass things like racism.
You’re brainwashed.
So many reports of Chinese doing dodgy shit. Just look at how much copy right infringement they do.
People go over there and set up factories and the Chinese will take the machines a part at night and put them back together as they are being installed.
Capitalists blame capitalist for capitalism. More news at 11
Dammit! He’s greedier than me!
Capitalism and neoliberal globalization is great as long as your capitalist organizations are dominating the system. But that inevitably results in the emergence of other competitive capitalist organizations. Then it’s back to trade barriers, and when that fails, military conflict.
It also leads to enshittification, Google Twitter and previous intel stagnation before rizen cpus were invented, subscription services everywhere and they always try to cut content and rise the prices, even subscription based cars like bmw and Mercedes, GPU prices overpricing, and Apple price gouging with additional 8gb of ram costing 500$ and apple vision pro USB 2.0 strap costing 300$, any market competition is beneficial for us commoners, it keeps corporations and their lobbyists at bay
Don’t forget here the Apple pro stand, that’s literally a fancy monitor stand for the low price of 1099.
Or the printers that have toners with DRM and all the hardware parts having a DRM chip which invalidates perfectly capable third party components.
Free market and competition. We don’t like that now, huh?
Correct. The free market is only good when it’s enriching them, if it’s helping anyone else be it citizens or another country, then something is wrong and we can pay an economist to tell you so too!
A whole bunch of assumptions with not a lot to back it up there. Who exactly says Chinese semiconductors and AI are world class all of the sudden? The source they linked doesn‘t imply any of that. It states a couple of traitors to the free world support the Chinese genocide with a couple billion. That‘s pretty vile but hardly makes China a powerhouse in those fields. It‘s a band-aid fix to a broken leg.
2 days ago there was a post here, presenting a LLM derived from Qwen. Qwen is basically Alibaba’s counterpart to Meta’s Llama.
ETA: Qwen on github
What that means for Chinese AI is not something I could say.
Qwen has been around for a while, but from what I can tell it didn’t really stick out after it’s initial hype. Alibaba claims it’s open source when it isn’t and people are naturally suspicious about it. User experiences also seem to be really mixed about it. And maybe the latest update caught up on the likes of Mixtra, but that’s not breaking new grounds or makes China an AI powerhouse by any means.
Oh come on, tell me which LLM is truly open source?
It always amuses me just how much of a hate boner America has for China. The absolute fury and indignation that those guys on the other side of the pond are catching up to them is funny to me.
The US has had so much soft and hard power the idea of a new hyper power is baffling to those with authority
My big question is: if they’ve got this much of a hate boner, why not just build the chips in Taiwan? I hear they’re even better than China at this shit. Or is this one of those “we’re pretending there’s only one China for the overlords” articles?
Stealing. The word is stealing not catching up. It really doesn’t matter matter because China lacks the creativity and forethought to make the tech work. That’s a cultural problem.
Stealing is how you catch up. Imaginary property laws were also lax in the US as it was growing. By the way, the “they just steal, they have no creativity” line was the same old bullshit trotted out against Japan while Japan was outcompeting us. Unfortunately for Japan, they’re a US ally and were bullied into adopting a financially-engineered ticking time bomb that exploded and left them with multiple lost decades.
Sorry but the patent system you have in the US is absolute bullshit that benefits very little and is prone to abuse by patent trolls.
Japan literally took American ideas and make them work. Japan brought over American innovators who were stifled at GM and Ford. They put in the production that killed Detroit.
Oh yeah the famously uncreative and uninventive chinese culture. They’ve never done anything, I’m sure.
Have you seen the last couple of years who your most brilliant minds are? Hint most of them are either Asians or descendants of Asian parents.
Like it or not, but there are a lot of really smart people in maths, science and IT people in China and Asia who are much smarter than Europeans and/or white Americans.
Coming from a European.
Got to have our
32 minutes of hate and someone to direct it at!Edit: I somehow extended the hatefest 50%. Corrected.
No fucking shit.
blames American venture capitalists
Me personally, I think the Chinese had something to do with it.
Not with top down, hierarchical societal conformation. No room to foster innovation.
China is better at capitalism than we are. They have actual competition in markets.
Of course… non-americans can’t build chips and AI because they are inferior
Right? I don’t known why some Americans think they’re the only one capable of building AIs, and if someone else did it, they must be stealing it… (or more likely it’s an excuse)
