Hamas has released a video announcing the death of two Israeli hostages and claimed that they were killed by Israeli airstrikes.
The video showed a female hostage named in Israeli media as Noa Argamani, 26, speaking under duress, revealing that two men she was held captive with had been killed in captivity. It was not clear when or where the video was filmed and there was no independent confirmation of Hamas’s claims.
The three hostages were shown in a 37-second Hamas video released on Sunday in which the group urged the Israeli government to halt its aerial and ground offensive and bring about their release. The undated clip ended with the caption: “Tomorrow [Monday] we will inform you of their fate.”
In a statement released with the new video, Hamas’s armed wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam brigades, said the two men, believed to be Yossi Sharabi, 53, and Itay Svirsky, 38, had been killed in “the Zionist army’s bombing”.
Amazed to see some people actually believe what Hamas says.
So far, on average, they have been closer to the truth than the IDF’s figures have been.
That’s how trust works, when it isn’t ideological.
Someone says something and later on when the truth is independently verified, or subsequent things prove the original claim to be true, you are more inclined to believe that person or group.
If someone says something, and later on it is proven untrue, you are less likely to believe that person or group.
When both sides of a conflict do both, you take the aggregate.
Israel has had a literal media policy of lying with exaggerated claims, with the view that people won’t view corrections, for decades.
Does Hamas lie? Yeah, but not as systematically.
And you’re surprised that people believe Hamas death toll numbers?
I’ve seen a lot of instances when the reverse is true. People take sides for whatever reasons, then refuse to even review the the side they oppose. They immediately call it propaganda or question source. They don’t apply logic because it doesn’t line up up with their internal narrative. The world is not black and white and denial of that fact gets you no closer to a conclusion.
Dudes over here trying to be like ‘there is no objective truth’ while totally ignoring the non-throwaway bit about lying being systemized by Israel.
It’s literal state media policy. They’ve been open about it.
When one side objectively, countably, lies more than the other, that side is believed less. It’s that simple.
Also, when a country restricts access to food, potable water, and medicine to a population they consider undesirable and than says it isn’t committing genocide, then you also don’t believe them. Those two things are mutually incompatible.
The point is the determination that only one side is at fault should not prevent you from listening to both sides. But, for some it does.
One side is a nuclear armed entity that had 2.2 million trapped in an open air prison and intentionally blockaded them and publicly boasted about only allowing in a starvation diet amount of calories.
The other side can dig tunnels.
So no to the listen part, I guess. And so it goes.
You’re trying to discredit the ungodly number of dead from a nuclear powered military that is intentionally targeting a population of mostly woman and children because they don’t want to engage in tunnel fighting.
You’re doing it by questioning the source of the number that has been shown to be accurate multiple times by multiple uninvolved unbiased groups.
The very question you started with ‘why do people believe Hamas’s numbers’ is obvious bad faith propaganda.
No, this response has to do with information denials. There is another response about numbers. Read that one.
Hamas is the government.
This whole ‘Hamas is evil incarnate’ thing is propaganda itself. Everyone hears Hamas and thinks militant.
Hamas is the government.
The pencil pusher ministry of health dude? Hamas.
The hospital administrator? Hamas
The non doctors without borders doctors? Hamas.
This is like calling every person that was a reservist in the IDF at the festival a combatant. It’s as much of a lie.
When was the last election?
Was less than half of the population alive than?
The population of Gaza has increased 100% in the last decade.
You keep responding with sentences that are literally not related to the questions asked.
Almost like you don’t have answers that don’t sound horrifically racist.
You have yet to tell me when the last election was that made Hamas the government.
17 Years ago.
Do you believe a government starving an undesirable population is genocide?
Also, just to go back to this point:
This is an argument that holocaust deniers use to try and deny the holocaust. It’s even stupider for them, because the numbers didn’t actually go up, but no one ever said that holocaust deniers were smart.
Do you want to be using the same argument holocaust deniers try and use?
btw
Is this the one where israeli soldiers said Monday to Sunday were terrorists lol.
What i don’t understand is how brazen they were. They just pointed to the calendar and said the days of the week were terrorist names without even censoring it and expected people to believe them. Like what level of hubris is this?
They continue to believe that people can’t translate.
It’s amazing the difference in the speeches Bibi gives in English vs Hebrew
I don’t reflexively distrust things attributed to Hamas but if Israel says anything nowadays I assume it’s a lie, and I don’t really trust defenses of the IDF’s behavior either. If there is no genocide in Gaza then they should send all the money back and there better be a thank-you card in the envelope.
Don’t downvote me, give me my money back.