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It’s simple: Germany always does what Israel wants.
You know, because of our history.
There are many people (especially the older generation) who think we as Germans can’t say anything bad about Israel no matter what they do.
I do not think anyone expects Germany to say anything bad about Israel. The problem is that they went on to defend what Israel is doing. Germany did not need to speak, yet they chose to in favour of Israel.
I think it is understandable, but it is also a little sad. Germans are good people and they are carrying a pretty big bag on the back. Israel will end cleaning from palestinians gaza and in 2 years nobody will care about what happened.
What is understandable about germany’s actions or inactions to the ongoing genocide?
I understand that after everything they did, a big chunk of the German population is reluctant to move a finger against israel.
Well, they’ve only killed 1% of Gazans, surely that’s not enough to worry about their intentions!
And wounded or mailed many more! Not to mention making large parts of the strip uninhabited and leaving hundreds of thousands without homes.
Thats not the definition of a genocide… Germany killed 1 % of the french population in WW2 and its wasn’t a genocide.
A genocide is characterized by the intention to annihilate a people. And while the far right in Israel is voicing support for a genocide, the current offensive is definitely not a genocide. This doesn’t mean that its not against international law or just. But it simply doesnt fit the definition of a genocide – no matter how often you call it that way.
That is what he says, it’s time to look into the intentions. And saying that it is just far right fringe figures that are making genocidal statements is a nice way to play with the facts, because the far right is currently in power in Israel. The SA case at the ICJ contains a long segment of quotes from Israeli officials and ministers making genocidal statements on the record.
To add to this, western governments are fully aware that Israel is breaking international law (and proud of it), because they refuse to answer any questions on this topic. For example David Cameron called on Israel to allow for fresh water to enter Gaza, implying that Israel is currently blocking this. Blocking access to drinking water is in violation of international law, when pressed on this Cameron said he was quote “not a lawyer”, and said he could not remember if he has been shown any evidence of violations of international law by Israel (as if that is something you would forget).
The west is showing that a rules based international order only applies for the global south, many people in the west might be too stupid or ignorant to see this but outside of the west this is doing irreparable damage to the credibility of the west.
Have you read the articles of the genocide convention?
The west at the beginning: Gaza is not a concentration camp, they have (a little) food and water and a “safe zone” in the south!
The west now: You have to kill at least 6 million for it to classify as genocide
800,000 to 1,000,000. That’s how many Tutsis were killed by the Hutus in the Rwandan genocide of 1994.
/s in case that isn’t blatantly obvious
I heard a newspaper opinion piece in the radio here in German that clearly didn’t know the difference between genocide and holocaust. I mean, c’mon, read a book before you publish a newspaper!
There were lots of genocides in our history, but only one Holocaust and there always will be one Holocaust, even in future history, where more genocides are bound to happen, sadly.
I am German, though raised mostly in Brazil, Colombia and the USA. The Holocaust is still THE genocide in recent history. “The Nazis” is a beloved trope in the media, in order to unmistakably portray pure evil, never able to redeem itself.
Being raised in different countries, made me create very little nationalistic feelings for any country. But still, i feel the weight of what was done in WW2 … How could we do this, especially the apathy in the population. Come on, from a certain point, everybody must have known, what Hitler’s plan was.
We all know this, but there is no answer as to how this could happen, since Germans are not like this. How could we be ok with this and, as records show, proudly stand by it? It’s something looming in the background of germany’s daily life.
Nobody wants something like this to happen again, but the uncertainty of how it was possible in past, makes it really difficult to even deal with this.
This surely will change as fine passes by and future generations won’t have the Holocaust as something that happened to their parents generation.
To publicly say that Israel is going bad things, specially genocide, is something no german will be able to do easily.
The commitment given to Israel by Germany and also the USA, was a noble and only correct action in the past, but to be real, became a fucking mindmelting Problem now.
If this would be happening 200 years from now? Germany and USA would be going into this, without the much too recent WW2 baggage.
Germans 🤝 genocide
Germany never underwent denazification.
Germany is the expert on this. When they point out that the allegations are bullshit, that’s an opinion worth listening to. When Iran, South Africa and the rest of the proxys make those claims, maybe not worth the same value even if it aligns with your tik tok inspired understanding of the situation.
Let’s listen to the people who literally did the holocaust on issues of genocide /s
Yes, quite literally. They understand what’s at stake for society as well or better than anyone on the planet right now.
They’re also a good example of how deradicalization efforts can be effective, not perfect but effective as reestablishing a modern liberal democracy. Gaza will need something other than what they currently have for an education system if they are to develop into anything other than a terrorist enclave.
Yes, quite literally. They understand what’s at stake for society as well or better than anyone on the planet right now.
Really? More than jewish holocaust survivors and their descendents? Get a fucking grip.
It is embarrassing that anyone upvoted this nonsense.
They’re also a good example of how deradicalization efforts can be effective, not perfect but effective as reestablishing a modern liberal democracy.
Are you living in the reality where Germany doesn’t have a far right extremism problem, and where denazification was actually successful?
Gaza will need something other than what they currently have for an education system if they are to develop into anything other than a terrorist enclave.
Yes, radicalization happens because of bad education, and not because Israel keeps stealing their land and killing them.
There are Holocaust survivors who believe it’s a genocide, they’re absolutely worth listening to. There are survivors who have devoted their lives to the issue who are saying it’s not, they’re absolutely worth listening to. That you’re only willing to listen to those who agree with you is part of the problem. The guy standing for Israel, has stood before this same court in the past but all of a sudden he’s not a valid expert? Get a grip.
As I pointed out, the efforts aren’t perfect they’re ongoing. Germany is still clearly working on it, they’re also struggling with right wing immigration issues and a host of other issues. None of that takes away from the turnaround they’ve done and continue to do.
Yes. People aren’t born to hate they’re taught to hate. If you’re going to act like kids in Gaza aren’t taught to hate in school, and in training camps then you’re either defending terrorists or you’re just ignorant. Education that doesn’t include systemic Antisemitic curriculum has proven effective in neighboring countries at reducing radicalization. The people of Gaza deserve that same chance.
Yes. People aren’t born to hate they’re taught to hate. If you’re going to act like kids in Gaza aren’t taught to hate in school, and in training camps then you’re either defending terrorists or you’re just ignorant.
If you think that kids and Gaza need to be taught to hate when the colonizer is out there already teaching them through violence youre just ignorant. If you want to stop training camps existing in the first place, stop the settler colonial project.
Read Fanon liberal.
So you’re saying that you think the curriculum and education, that involves coloring books showing the shooting of Jews and hands on training with weapons for elementary school children isn’t a problem?
On a technical note, Jews didn’t colonize Judea. They’ve been there since before the Arabs. They decolonized the region, Palestine and Gaza is literally a colony in practice.
So you’re saying that you think the curriculum and education, that involves coloring books showing the shooting of Jews and hands on training with weapons for elementary school children isn’t a problem?
Sure it is a problem, and it isnt going to solved until Israel stops being a settler colonial apartheid state or they entirely murder or displace every Palestinian. I’m guessing you prefer the latter?
On a technical note, Jews didn’t colonize Judea. They’ve been there since before the Arabs. They decolonized the region, Palestine and Gaza is literally a colony in practice.
What not ever reading a book on colonial theory does to a motherfucker
We are all from Africa, but if you went to Libya and started killing people and claiming their land as your own, you’d be a fucking settler. So to with Israel.
Maybe because its not a genocide?
