LOS ANGELES (AP) — A new California law that bans people from carrying firearms in most public places was once again blocked from taking effect Saturday as a court case challenging it continues.
A 9th Circuit Court of Appeals panel dissolved a temporary hold on a lower court injunction blocking the law. The hold was issued by a different 9th Circuit panel and had allowed the law to go into effect Jan. 1.
Saturday’s decision keeps in place a Dec. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney blocking the law. Carney said that it violates the Second Amendment and that gun rights groups would likely prevail in proving it unconstitutional.
The law, signed by Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, prohibits people from carrying concealed guns in 26 types of places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban applies regardless of whether a person has a concealed carry permit.
A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, and that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, “this is where the light is”.
Concealed-carry permit holders aren’t the ones who commit gun crimes, but because they’re the ones who actually follow the law, they’re the ones that are targeted by these draconian rules.
In California, no shooting by a CCW holder has ever occurred at an existing protected location or one proposed by SB 2. In fact, concealedcarrykillers.org lists just 5 homicides having been committed by CCW holders in California in the last 24 years.
So draconian that I don’t want someone to bring a gun to a public playground or the fucking zoo.
no shooting by a CCW holder has ever occurred at an existing protected location
Oh wow maybe the ban works? Noooo it’s definitely because you scared idiots carrying weapons around all day are just SO responsible.
Hey you know who’s 100% responsible for all gun violence? PEOPLE WITH GUNS.
“Subset X of large group Y has committed a negligible amount of crime Y in the last generation.”
“NO YOU IDIOT, LARGE GROUP Y DOES ALL OF CRIME Y, JUST THINK!!!”
Oh sorry I forgot only a subset of the people that own a thing made to kill other people actually kill other people. Good point go ahead and bring those guns hidden in your pants to a kids park or whatever. I feel so much safer now.
Hey look, it’s the same logic that racists use
What the fuck? TIL it’s racist to think people shouldn’t bring guns to the park.
Hey look it’s the same logic idiots use.
Gun control is racist
Lol
Imagine being so privileged you don’t have to worry about defending yourself or your family.
These kinds of laws are already in effect in Chicago. Guns come in freely via Indiana where it’s constitutional carry, plus other means. It turns out that banning guns only means that law abiding citizens — which as the above commenter pointed out, statistically almost never use their weapons criminally — stop carrying and criminals have carte blanche to go target practicing on defenseless meat bags.
CA is a massive state, and I’m sure it has plenty of weapons. Criminals aren’t going to magically stop committing gun crime because of a stupid law, and if anything it will only embolden them as they’re less likely to encounter a CC citizen. Guns will continue to flow in via NV, AZ, and Mexico.
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You’re preaching to the wrong crowd, dude. Most White Americans straight up fuckin love guns and gun ownership more than they do some of their own family members
~13 people in the US have died from a "shooting"during 8 separate events 7 days into 2024, another ~30 injured.
I’m also not saying state enforced concealed carry bans are the way, but you guys gotta do something.
About half were murder suicides, a quarter were drive-by shootings and the last quarter were bar/party fights.
How many of those shootings were committed by someone who has a CHL? How many are committed by felons or criminals who are already prohibited from carrying any guns anywhere?
Yeah, it’s nuts how weak this California bill was and we can’t even that passed. Legit pathetic.
Can’t imagine having to raise kids in this country. Parents are brave, not giving a shit about all the legal guns
Armed parents are brave, they care about all the illegal guns.
but you guys gotta do something.
The real things that need to be done are fixing underlying, structural problems, and it would likely take about 2-3 generations to largely fix. There are a lot of problems that contribute the rate of violence, so fixing any one thing, by itself, isn’t going to have an enormous effect. And there are groups of people that are actively trying to accelerate the problems, because they believe that there are certain moral or religious arguments at stake, rather than utilitarian ones.
Lots and lots of violence could be reduced by reducing poverty; not many people get involved in crime when they have other good options. But hey, that’s socialism. Dems say they want to do things like that, but Dems generally have a problem with doing what they claim they want to do because there are a lot of NIMBY Dems–e.g., it’s a nat’l platform that people should have access to affordable housing, but if you try to re-zone for affordable housing in a wealthy Democratic supermajority area, you’ll quickly find out that they want affordable housing somewhere else–and Dems that want social change only if it doesn’t mean they have to change. (IIRC, there was a certain communist author that pointed out that many of the communists in their area were petty bourgeoisie that believed they would have more after a revolution, rather than being proletariat that just wanted decent wages.)
That said, despite public perceptions, violent crimes are down for 2023. IIRC, homicide rates are also down by several percentage points.
Excuse me? We’re not allowed to stop people from bringing their gun into the bank??
I believe the bank is allowed to prohibit it, the state isn’t allowed to prohibit it.
You’re worried about the people who have never once robbed a bank? Worry about the criminals without legal ccws.
How about no one else with a gun is allowed to bring it in, so that when the guards/cops start aiming at the people with the guns they won’t be aiming at the wrong people? Why do you need your gun in a bank? There are armed guards there. You don’t need to be a cosplay hero in a bank.
It’s a concealed carry license, not open carry, and you’re imagining a problem that I’m not even sure if it has ever happened in California, and if it has, it’s very rare.
What about the far more common event of a criminal targeting a person who is leaving the bank and going back to their car to rob them of their new withdrawal? They should be able to protect themselves against lethal force.
How common is that event?
Armed robbery or all violent crime? Here’s some stats: https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/JTF_CrimeTrendsJTF.pdf
tl;dr: there’s a lot of crime in California, it’s tracked. There’s not a lot of cops and armed guards shooting people with legal ccws.
I’m talking about the thing you said was a more common event. I’m wondering how often people get robbed at gunpoint in the bank parking lot.
I don’t have stats on that particular situation, it’s not tracked, but I could find a video within 2 seconds of looking that happened within the last two years: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cQeM0ilep5U
It is common enough that bank employees are trained to open bank branches in pairs only after driving loops around the parking lot to check for hidden robbers, as standard branch opening procedure. Robbers have figured out that banks have money in them.
It’s allowed in the vast majority of the country.
Like where? I live in TX and many, if not all banks have signage disallowing guns.
That’s the bank, not the state.
Texas really isn’t the gun friendly mecca people think it is, when it comes to gun rights it’s solidly “meh.” I don’t know of any states where banks are statutory sensitive locations other than CA and I think the current NY and CT bills. As far as Texas goes it is up to the bank and must be properly signed to have the force of law behind the sign. Many locations do not give the force of law to a posted sign unless it’s at a location with a specific prohibition already in the law.
Businesses also have a broad right to refuse service and have people written up for trespassing if they refuse to leave. Having a gun is not a protected class. At that point hanging a sign saying no guns is completely enforceable unless the state requires some specific thing. For the record, states making gun owners a semi-protected class that requires specific signs and only at sensitive businesses is bullshit. Private businesses aren’t responsible to the Constitution and the state interest in protecting gun owners (who can just lock half the gun in their car) is nowhere near their interest in making sure the economy doesn’t split along racial lines.
Signs not having the force of law doesn’t make gun owners a protected class, it just puts an explicitly enumerated right on par with every other day to day activity. If you wear a fanny pack into a convenience store with a “no bags” sign you don’t go straight to jail and if you walk into a McDonalds without a shirt or shoes they have to ask you to leave before it’s the actual crime of trespassing. Guns are literally the only scenario where in some states ignoring a single sign on publicly open private property is an actual crime.
Fun Fact, if you ignore the No Guns sign the first thing that happens is you get asked to leave.
And again, private companies are not responsible to the Constitution. You do not have Constitutional rights in the court of Walmart.
So yes, requiring specific signs and telling some businesses they don’t qualify for signs is absolutely creating a semi-protected class. You are telling some private businesses they cannot refuse you service for carrying a gun, just like they couldn’t do so for you being black.
Fun Fact, if you ignore the No Guns sign the first thing that happens is you get asked to leave.
That’s not what this law says. This law says that if there isn’t a sign specifically permitting guns you leave in handcuffs on first contact without first being asked. Being asked to leave and refusing to being charged as trespassing is what is referred to as “signs not having the force of law” and is the default “protected class” scenario you’re talking about. In states that have stricter laws where signs have the force of law it is a crime even if they don’t ask you to leave.
Well, the bank is allowed to ban them. The court (operating under a ridiculous SCOTUS ruling) is saying it doesn’t think the government can ban them in private businesses or open areas.
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