Isn’t jail just slavery according to the 13th amendment? Iirc at least.
The prison complex doesn’t want you to call it that, but yes. The 13th amendment makes a specific exception for slavery if the person is imprisoned. That’s why prisoners “work” for way below minimum wage in a variety of jobs that they probably didn’t choose. Not to mention that the majority of prisoners are people of color…
I was curious how many people in prison are forced to work. If this source is correct, it’s about 2/3. But the conditions of that work are apparently worse than I’d thought. Here’s the original report (posted last year) and an article with a summary. Correction is welcome if this is inaccurate ◉‿◉
Only if they force you to work.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
(emphasis mine)
That is correct. Not sure if you were trying to dispute my comment but to clarify, the remark I was making is that slavery =/= imprisonment on its own. Slavery = imprisonment + work.
It is torture on its own, which might be the more critical point. The extent varies, but spending time in most of the world’s prisons still break your mental health in ways that will only make reintegration back into society harder in the end.
We almost all know this already, which is the tragic part.
I’m not at all excusing it, but don’t prisoners technically get paid for their work? It’s just some horrifically pathetic wage like $0.50/hr or something like that.
Earning a pittance doesn’t mean they’re not slaves. They’re slaves because they can’t quit. Prisoners have basically zero agency in their lives.
Slavery doesn’t have anything to do with compensation. Slavery is about the absence of choice.
Well in the US it is I guess
what is the alternative
Not… slavery?
what do you want to happen to people who commit crimes then
Not… Slavery? Nobody said prisoners need to be used as slave labour. The removal of freedom is sufficient punishment.
this is actually my plan (minus the sex 3 times a day of course) for later in my life, ideally without the going to prison part.
Your “plan” is to not live with your parents, read books, and workout? Feel free to get started, boss.
my plan ist to live a happy and healthy life. living with my parents and going to work hinders me from doing exactly that. i might have the opprtunity to not have to work, so i will gladly do that.
feel free to continue living your hateful life. but i won’t. i want to change.
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then i must have read it wrong, sorry. people are generally not taking someone else being optimistic very well, so i assumed you were attacking me for it.
No problem. I was basically just saying “hey you can do most of those things right now, go for it.”
It’s funny and all, but you have to work in a real prison. Just like you do in the office. The difference is that by the end of the day you leave the office and enjoy your hard earned money. But when you’re working in prison, you are still in prison by the end of the day. And you don’t get money, because fuck you, that’s why.
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