A cargo plane flew 50 miles with no pilot onboard using a semi-automated system. An aviation expert says the technology could address the pilot shortage.::The flight system allows a plane to be remote operated by a pilot on the ground, which could streamline pilot airline operations in the future.

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    This will be done more and more until the first crash. Then everyone will freak out and everything will be grounded. The engineers will point out that statistically the flights done this way were safer ( 1 million miles were flown by AI in the last 3 years with only one incident. The same done by commercial pilots would have caused 3.5 incidents!)

    Then other incidents will be dredged up. Some won’t be actual incidents, some won’t be the fault of the AI, and some will be because a human overrid AI control. However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for “drones” will be made. A decade later these loopholes will be large enough to fly a 737 through.

    No one will remember why they were put in place in the first place, but one political party will be firmly against removing the laws. It will take another generation for them to finally be removed, and by that point computers will be so far integrated with humans that biological humans might be banned from flying under the law if things didn’t change.

    Hopefully, people will look back on this and say, lol, no, that post was edited in 2035, but good try.

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      However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for “drones” will be made.

      That part could just as well go another way:

      The transportation and large sellers of packages, like Amazon, strongly lobbied the government. Now any victim of a crash with automated planes gets a standard payout from the insurance. A class action lawsuits from family members of the victims was eventually decided in favor of the corporations.

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        I’ve read your life is only worth $10k.

        I have nothing to back that up, but if anyone finds the source of that quote, I’d be interested.

        Yea, no thanks on automation. In the end I’m still dead by another human’s mistake. So I’d rather have a pilot on board.

        I’ve seen how bad aircraft automation is already. Much of it shouldn’t even be in the air currently. It’s already overridden pilot commands łor at least ignored inputs as outside parameters), crashing planes.

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    Anything will be done to address “shortages” other than paying fairly

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      You need training to fly, so there’s a lag between you posting higher salaries and actually getting new pilots

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        While you are right, the airline industry has known about this for a while and did nothing.

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        No there really isn’t. The Navy and Air Force are full of people who love flying. Even people who can fly but don’t qualify to be fighter pilots. They work on planes, design them, or fly transport planes.

        Usually the jobs outside the military pay better (cybersecurity, IT, etc.). Flying commercial isn’t that much better because of the hours. Imagine having better hours in the military and a better retirement package after 20 years. That’s why there’s not enough pilots.

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    I don’t want to fly with an automated pilot. I want someone with skin in the game.

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    To address the pilot pay, in my own opinion I think that flying is reasonably paid. Most entry level jobs (in my area) range between 70-90k. This is comfortable for the most part and above all common jobs.

    The main issue for me is the training costs. I would still be headed towards the aviation industry if I wasn’t held back by the financial debt that I would incur.

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    Tesla autopilot for airplanes. What could possibly go wrong.

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      Considering most all commercial flights are fly by wire except for taxi, takeoff, and landing… not sure

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        And we currently see issues even with current (relatively) modest automation systems that are designed to prevent pilot error.

        There’s way too many failures with current systems to even talk about full automation yet, in my opinion.

        Let’s get current automation subsystems to much lower error rates first.

        I’ve never seen a fuel injection system on a car suddenly stop delivering fuel for no apparent reason, then startup again. The computers for such systems in cars are tremendously over-engineered.

        I can’t understand why we accept less for aircraft systems today. This didn’t used to be the case.

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    I have an uncle that quit being a pilot because being a trucker paid much better. I not stating an opinion, just a fact. Do with it what you will.

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      Fallout New Vegas is the best video game of all time. I’m not stating a fact, just an opinion. Do with it what I will.

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      Wait are you in support or against AI airplanes? Because mentioning an event where terrorists successfully overpowered human pilots doesn’t seem to be a great argument against AI pilots. More like an argument against human pilots.

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        Sorry my comment was confusing and maybe my idea wasn’t that clear either. 911, which was an attack on the United States using airplanes, happed in part, I think, because there wasn’t enough protections. Also I feel that computer systems are much more vulnerable to attacks than physical systems where pilots and other people can protect critical infrastructures. With this in mind, I was trying to hint that automating airplanes this way could lead to more catastrophs.

    • GeneralVincent@lemmy.world
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      Wait are you in support or against AI airplanes? Because mentioning an event where terrorists successfully overpowered human pilots doesn’t seem to be a great argument against AI pilots. More like an argument against human pilots.