23andMe just sent out an email trying to trick customers into accepting a TOS change that will prevent you from suing them after they literally lost your genome ro thieves.

Do what it says in the email and email [email protected] that you do not agree with the new terms of service and opt out of arbitration.

If you have an account with them, do this right now.

Here’s an email template for what to write: https://www.patreon.com/posts/94164861

  • tty5@lemmy.world
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    I don’t see how an email that has no proof of delivery (could have ended in spam for example) would be legally binding.

    Accepting a ToS update simply by virtue of no action is also questionable unless provisions permitting that were in the ToS you’ve accepted and even then it would not work in the European Union, because that’s listed in the forbidden clauses registry.

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      I thought the same thing when my Disney+ rate went up a couple months ago and I couldn’t find the email warning about it in my inbox or spam folders.

      Why do we let these companies get away with everything? If the rates are going up, show me in the app/ui. Make it opt in. Disable my ability to watch anything until I approve the increase in spend. It should be illegal to just change the terms of a contract and say “I sent you an email.”

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      Accepting a ToS update simply by virtue of no action is also questionable

      Even it being “questionable” is a fucking outrage – it should be so blatantly, obviously, disallowed that a lawyer should lose their license just for proposing it!

      The entire concept is a goddamn farce.

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      It’s not, and TOS are not legally binding either

      By viewing this post, you agree to gift 50% of all after tax future earnings to PersnickityPenguin. Additionally, your entire Steam Library of games is hereby under sole ownership of PersnickityPenguin. All games and/or steam account login and password must be provided to PersnickityPenguin.

      Failure to transfer all financial and virtual property within (30) days is considered a breach of contract. Each incident of a breach of contract will result in a $500,000 penalty per incident. Viewer agrees to these terms of service. Any dispute or breach of contract will result in additional legal fees to be paid by the viewer entering into this contract pursuant to paragraph (A).

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      Why would you need proof of delivery? The original email gives instructions. You follow those instructions and can prove you did so with date and timestamps. I don’t see the issue.

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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-repudiation

        Legally you have to be able to prove someone received a thing. It’s why you get served when you’re sued. An agent physically hands you the complaint (or whatever they’re called). If the papers were put in the mail the person being sued could say they never received them.

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          1 year ago

          Can’t you trace an email and prove it was delivered? Even mail you sign for only proves you received it, not that you opened it.

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            1 year ago

            No. You can confirm the server received it. That’s different from a user opening it and reading it

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          1 year ago

          Couldn’t the same be said about the TOS updates though? Would they not need to prove it was delivered?

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            1 year ago

            That’s the whole point. They can force you to agree to updated TOS before they allow you to access their app.