The Biden administration on Monday sent Congress an urgent warning about the need to approve tens of billions of dollars in military and economic assistance to Ukraine, saying Kyiv’s war effort to defend itself from Russia’s invasion may grind to a halt without it.
In a letter to House and Senate leaders and also released publicly, Office of Management and Budget Director Shalanda Young warned the U.S. will run out of funding to send weapons and assistance to Ukraine by the end of the year, saying that would “kneecap” Ukraine on the battlefield.
She added that the U.S. already has run out of money that it has used to prop up Ukraine’s economy, and “if Ukraine’s economy collapses, they will not be able to keep fighting, full stop.”
We can start by stopping aid to Israel. They have enough wealth to fund their own genocides.
They have a fucking Intel fab.
I’ll admit, I had this thought earlier about why do they even need our money? I haven’t heard of them fighting much of anyone since the first week of this. Mostly leveling the entirety of Gaza so that they can take it over. So the US is not only paying for genocide, we’re also paying for a construction project basically.
Maybe someone who knows can chime in but what is the money for? Is it for more weapons similar to Ukraine? Are we trying to profit off of a genocide?
A lot of it isn’t actually money. The US keeps a massive stockpile of weapons and equipment in storage in Isreal. The government hands over the keys to a few trucks and some parts, then writes it off as $X value in military hardware.
That’s what I was afraid of. It’s one thing to give aid to a genocidal nation, it’s a complete other thing for you to supply them with bombs and ammo and try to make a dollar off of it. It’s all so disgusting.
I haven’t heard of them fighting much of anyone since the first week of this
Israel has around 2500 total casualties. Most deaths are lumped from the initial attack (around 1200). Approximately 400 soldiers have been killed, the rest are wounded.
Israel has been involved in several wars against multiple other nations - for example, in the 1973 Yom Kippur war, it was invaded by Egypt, Syria, and a coalition that included Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Cuba, Jordan, etc.
Israel is located at a fairly strategic location. Britain and France used Israel during the Suez crisis to stage an attack against Egypt over control of the Suez Canal. The Suez Canal is one of the most important global trade routes.
US support of Israel is a combination of funding American arms dealers and wanting Israel as a strategicly located partner. That’s why we fought proxy wars with the soviet union over it like the Yom Kippur war. The aid is intended not to fight Hamas, but to keep Israel strong against e.g. Iran and other neighbors. They’ve had peace with Egypt for decades, but that might be more because of Israel being strong enough to not be worth attacking.
I doubt Biden personally supports the Gaza war, but a lot of this stuff is more about realpolitik and strategic concerns than anything else.
The GOP will, of course, stand with Putin. The GOP has always famously stood by the USSR/Russia. I believe it was Ronald Reagen who bravely said “Mr. Gorbachev, build me a fucking wall.”
Lol, close but not quite what he said. Sorry if you were making a joke. The actual quote was “you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.”
No, the real quote was, “All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.”
Bullshit. It was “Mexico will pay for the wall.”.
It’s embarrassing we haven’t yet gotten a military/Ukraine funding bill through two months ago.
What’s embarrassing is the sunk-cost fallacy people are applying to Ukraine.
It seems most people on these forums legitimately believed Ukraine would blaze past Russia in their counteroffensive after getting Western weapons. When that didn’t happen, nobody came out and said “we were wrong.” It’s just doubling-down, lol.
It’s sad how many people legitimately believe the outcome of this war is already decided in Ukraine’s favor. Just shows how effective propaganda is at making people believe fantasies.
“Sunk cost” isn’t applicable because human lives don’t have a fucking price.
I don’t think you understand what the fallacy is if you think that’s the case.
If Ukraine loses, then what good has all their aid actually done?
Well, for one, Russia will have been forced to expend a shitton of lives and war materiel, and will be forced to expend a shitton more putting down the resultant Ukrainian insurgency. Crippling the Russian military for a generation is no small thing.
The less the outcome is already decided, the more I support giving them money.
I think it’s weird you’d find the opposite to be true.
I think it’s weird you’d find the opposite to be true.
Probably because you don’t understand the sunk-cost fallacy.
It’s already been explained that this is not a sunk-cost situation. The US hasn’t even given very much to Ukraine, in terms of total military expenditure
The Republicans were always Putins best friends in the US. Trumps admiration for dictators didn’t help it either.
Should not have given all that money to Israel. And now they want more tax money. Ugh
edit: typo
You’re joking, but zionists really believe this.
Sorry, looked bad. There was a missing ‘not’.
Should not have given all that money to Israel. And now they want more tax money. Ugh
One more billion should do it.
again I contemplate renouncing my US citizenship in order to not contribute financially to any of this
Can I have it? The 142 year waitlist for my green card has been less than easy.
yea sure
Hey I’ve got an idea, let’s drag the Ukraine war out another 2 decades and see how much death and destruction that can continue to fester.
I’m sure it won’t lead to millions of angry, broken men who will never be able to feel integrate with society and cause a spiraling of violence and crime throughout Europe and the world reverberating for decades into the future.
Oh, and drug use and homelessness. Almost forgot about that, silly me.
Well, we could end this horror-show tomorrow by turning Moscow into a sheet of glass.
Let’s call Vlad Puta’s bluff and see how many of his 50 year old ICBM’s even make it out of their silos, much less to a target. They are widely thought to be ill-maintained, looted by a very active military black market, and old as shit. Add to that our space and air defense spending, and I’m betting the only country that would experience any Russian radiation would be Russia.
LOL what happened to all the articles saying Russia was Donezo two year ago? America is Donezo.
~5% of the US’s military budget worth of mostly old equipment was enough to halt Ruzzia. But keep coping all you want vatnik.
Just a generation getting first-hand experience with being manipulated by propaganda.
You know who wants more weapons for Ukraine? Those profiting off of the military-industrial complex.
Probably also the country of Ukraine, our ally that was invaded by Russia.
If you are an ally of US or NATO in general, the conflict in Ukraine is probably a rude awakening as to what you can expect if you get into a conflict.
Wtf are you talking about? Putin said Kyiv would fall in 48 hours or something like that. Instead his country is hemorrhaging money and fighting-aged men, Russia controls only slightly more territory than it did before the invasion.
And that’s with neither NATO nor the US in a hot war with Russia. If we were, circumstances would be very different and the only thing flying in Russian airspace would be snow.
Putin said Kyiv would fall in 48 hours or something like that.
Source? This seems like one of those lies told often enough it becomes true.
Not 2 days, but Putin did claim 2 weeks: Putin Boasts of Being Able to Take Kiev in 2 Weeks
I did search and found multiple sources saying two days. I don’t speak Russian so I have to take the journalists’ word for it. He says now if the west stopped backing Ukraine, it would be over in a week.
After which we all know he will move on to Poland and the rest of Europe.
Yes, because he has also literally said they would knock over Poland. And by they, Russian elites not necessarily putin. His essay was telling however.
You mean that even them just providing aid will be enough for you to stalemate a self proclaimed superpower and then push back against them and launch direct attacks against them?
I agree, this war is a big signpost for smaller nations who share borders with large neighbors known for considering themselves superpowers while also boo-hooing themselves as le-opressed global south for internet privs to stan for because Lebensraum and Irredentism are cool when something something colonialism.
When Ethiopia invades Eritrea or Eastern Somalia, these types will flock to defend them against any accusation of wrongdoing because “but self governance and sovereignty over your own ports is colonialism!”
What about us Americans struggling in our economy?
Hmm, maybe it’s time to stop passing trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts for the 1%?
No no i think we can get blood out of this stone if we try hard enough
They would be struggling a whole lot less if Putin wasn’t actively ripping the USA apart from the inside.
By any capitalist measure, the economy is doing great. If you’re struggling, maybe reconsider supporting a system that doesn’t care about how well you’re doing as long as profits are up.
What about us Americans struggling in our economy?
Most of the funding is literally for American jobs. Congress authorizes funds for the creation of, for example, Javelin missiles. This funding pays American workers in American factories producing said missiles. Then we send them to Ukraine to blow up Russian invaders.
Why the hell would you want to take away these well-paying American jobs if your concern truly is about Americans struggling in our economy?
You mean the military industrial complex? I used to work for them and I know how bs their numbers are. Also that industry relies on conflict so they won’t make money during peacetime. I’m not too keen on my tax money being spent overseas too find a war that we are not a part of. Well we shouldn’t have been involved until we involved ourselves.
You see, they don’t matter.
What matters is funneling as much taxpayer money to the MIC as possible.
