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I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don’t know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
People need to remember that fallout isn’t the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it’s not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren’t making Lord of the rings over here, it’s not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They’re keeping the aesthetic and design, so I’m happy. But so many people don’t have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it’s “unwatchable garbage”. I’ve seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called “shit” these days.
I mean, New Vegas is known as one of the best written RPGs of all time. So… there might be slightly higher than average expectations here.
It is not known.
I don’t want to set the world on fire.
But I will if they fuck this up.
Where were you when we watched Rings of Power?
Where were you when we suffered Wheel of Time?
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn’t do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I’m cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on “who’s the dragon? it’s such a mystery!!” when that wasn’t even a plot point of the first book. It’s a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it’s just a cop-out.
I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you’ve already admitted that it’s bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I’m talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it’s one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Ah, ok so I’m broken and don’t have to worry.
I loved both those things.
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it’s just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It’s far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would’ve preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it’s my favourite LOTR book.
Rings of power was alright
No it isn’t. It’s terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn’t even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn’t be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien’s works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth “round”, so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn’t make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it’s so different that I don’t even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn’t like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin’s are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it’s terrible.
I thought it looked pretty good.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
I’m with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design
Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully it’s respectful to the source material.
It’s a very good setting for a show or mini series, but the way the IP’s current owners have handled it so far gives me pause. Hopefully the writers will be competent enough to not resort to the “radiation and mutations are basically magic” writing that’s been all too common with Bethesda.
I mean we already saw mutants (NOT Super Mutants or Centaurs) in the form of Chris Parnell’s Overseer Cyclops in the trailer. The rest of the shots (especially the Yao Guai tearing up that Paladin) make me think it’ll be more lore-accurate.
I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.
You can tell it’s gonna be bad because they forgot to say “war never changes”
I bet you that this will be in the show and narrated by Ron Perlman.
And where are the TUNNEL SNAKES??? HMMMM???
tunnel snakes rule
We’re the tunnel snakes
That’s us
And we rule! Rule! R-r-r-r-rule!
In a tunnel?
Sweet! Well get a season or two and then they’ll cancel it just like they do all the rest of the fan favorites.
That feels more like a Netflix move than an Amazon move.
There’s not enough wackiness in the trailer. Fallout has always had a thin veneer of grimdark with a whole hidden iceberg of goofy bullshit and it was amazing.
I’m getting huge “missing the point” vibes.
There are a lot of reasons to not judge it yet. First and foremost, the director/show runner has zero input on the trailer. That’s all the marketing department, and the trailer is designed to get as many eyeballs as possible on the final product. Numerous examples exist of trailers which bared little resemblance to the movie/show/game/whatever.
Secondly, they buried the lead on the director. Jonathan Nolan did direct much of Westworld. But he also wrote a bunch of award winning films for his brother, Christopher Nolan. Movies like Memento, Interstellar, The Prestige, and Dark Knight. He’s no slouch, and I’ll reserve judgement until I see it.
To back you up, the first Doom Patrol trailers did little justice to how weird that show is.
J. Nolan also did “Person of Interest”. It’s a lesser-known show but it was very good.
It felt like a classic 80s show at first(the hero is a badass supported by an eccentric rich guy to help random people) but, without spoiling it, it takes a very interesting turn.
While i fully agree, a lot of people won’t know what Fallout is, and they kinda have to set the basics first.
With that being said, I question whether Amazon can pull this off.
it’s a trailer, it also has to get the normis
so the cyclops overseer drinking a moldy cup isnt wacky at all?
How do you mod a TV show?
Don’t worry, Toddyboy is on the case!
guess i will watch it. lets hope its not complete shit
the trailer looks great and really has that fallout spirit somewhere between funny, gruesome and batshit crazy.
Also great to see Walton Goggins in the cast, he’s a great actor
I love Goggins, this is a perfect universe for his style honestly
They’re going to find a way to release the films with bugs and release a day one patch
I mean it can’t be worse than the Halo show, at least this looks decent from the trailer.
Can guarantee it’ll be better than getting mauled by a Deathclaw either way.
We don’t talk about that show
Oh no… The time has come to shit all over two legendary games again… for the second time.
Fallout was an aesthetic that told super dark stories. How will a TV capture the vignette of nightmares that are the Vaults?
Fallout is not a masterpiece of story telling or cinematography. It was written by non writers mostly. It’s not the godfather. It isn’t going to be hard for professional writers to make it work better than the games, and clearly they’re not fucking with the visual designs of the series.
There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.
The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.
You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.
Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.
TL;DR Gimme Twilight Zone in the wasteland
I haven’t found a place in my life for these types of TV series. Looks good though just prefer the complete arc of a movie or a mini-series.
Sets look kind of big budget artificial, soapy? Like that is some wicked blue dye on the suits, very fresh. Lovely hair and makeup. All good though I realize it’s just not my thing. A cinematic 90 minute fallout movie laser focused on 2-3 character arcs would be exciting to me.
Yeah it looks like it’s artificial almost on purpose. The vault opening and there’s a neat little skull in the corner…
Tbh I don’t mind shitty adaptations that fan service but I think they are missing the mark on this one. I hope I’m wrong tho.
Yeah the badly planted skull seemed pretty lazy. Just show a blasted landscape
I was not excited for this show until seeing that trailer! Fingers crossed 🤞
Funny, didn’t an earlier version of the trailer say “and the studio behind The Boys and Free 2-day Shipping”?
Now it says “fast delivery” with an asterisk.
Yup, I watched that too!
Be prepared to be "There it no war in Ba Sing Sae"d soon.
I thought that must’ve just been a name of a show I hadn’t watched haha
I hope Todd Howard had almost zero creative input
