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Gwynne Shotwell mentions in this video that she saw a mechanical engineer’s talk when she was young and loved her suit. She said she’s hesitant to tell that story, but considers it an important topic because it is ultimately what inspired her to go into STEM.
I think her hesitance is due to the fact that men don’t understand and might ridicule her. For a young lady, seeing a successful woman in STEM bucking the stereotypes, just being herself, and not conforming to male standards changes their perception of the field. Maybe a lot of men shrug when they see Rita’s sparkly dress, but it’s inspirational to many girls with aspirations in STEM.
No scientists must dress as stereotypical nerds its literally the law.
I assume the sunglasses in her profile picture are prescription/ corrective sunglasses.
Didn’t that dude doing the blackhole research end up getting pilloried for wearing a shirt his sister gifted him ?
I didn’t know scientists would put you in a stockade.
Context it was aheago (I might have spelled that wrong, at work and can’t check) anime fabric, which might be questionable in a professional work environment.
It was distasteful but he didn’t deserve what he got. Disgusting how he was treated imo.
What did he get? I was watching the event live at the time and I’m familiar with the immediate aftermath where he apologized and it was largely accpeted. Did he get fired or something?
Bro did you see the shirt?
Is there a video of this talk? I’d love love love to see it if possible!
I like ladies in sparkly things being smart. I do it sometimes myself, along with bright colors and vivid patterns, and it’s wildly fun! Clothing doesn’t matter, so have fun with it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfU4d8fF5pg
here’s a ‘ted’ thing she did. hopefully this won’t post twice again.
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I have a shiny scale that goes from 0 to 10. 0 is dull, 5 is magpies are actively interested, and 10 is anyone who stares it is irreversibly blind.
Completely off topic, I have a Soulbound character that is an Ogor who wears a ballroom gown because he bounced a fancy party. He took a shin to the all the fancy dresses.
I also had someone at the table play a Tortle in DnD with a bedazzled shell.
You quite like the letter o, I take it, but what have you got against the word shine?
Could the letter have been written by a thirsty adult?
I might be utterly prude, but the shininess of the exact same clothing has literally zero effect on my hotness meter. I don’t even understand why it would.
The gown is reasonably chaste so they’d be thirsting for science rather than the female body. And there’s plenty of science communicators who look sluttier yet smart in their presentation.
Some of us thirst for science and sparkles.
i’m not falling for your trap card again. this time you pull my finger
Do you have any links to these, or names I can look for? I’m genuinely into that sort of social norm bucking, as a comfort-in-skin-over-propriety sort of gal myself, and learning stuff (mostly any science-adjacent stuff) is my special interest - my degree and life focus is in science communication (I can’t help but infodump so I learned how to do it properly!)!
I mean naked news was(is?) super popular; why not fuck-me-branded science?
Who? (Asking for a friend)
Whys this in memes? Its very wholesome! Or is op just being a dick?
There’s nothing that says memes can’t be wholesome
Fair enough
Reminds me of this one time some little girls wrote to me…
Can’t put it science, they’ll gripe, “Why is this fluff cluttering up my feed?!”
It fits well enough in Science Memes, tho.
Yeah, i dont follow c/science, but id imagine its more for scientific advancement. This def seems like the best community for this meme
“Screenshot of tweet = meme” is probably the thought behind it?
Science memes is more than just memes to make fun of things. It’s all things science and fun/wholesome.
Girls wont want to do a thing unless they can look pretty?
You’re getting down voted right now and I think it’s important to understand why because I had a similar reaction not too long ago. I was curious to understand my own biases and what I think it’s important to share what I learned as a cis male in IT.
Women just want to be women. Some want to wear nail polish and “look pretty” while others want to just rock a T-shirt and jeans. Like men who wear full tux and debug code at 6pm on a Friday (because they aren’t farmers), they want to be what they want to be.
Men have the luxury to wear whatever they want (for the most part) and not get shit for it. Women have to do everything that men do and do it with maturity while handing the shit that men throw their way.
I learned this lesson when I was the sole male STEM counselor at an all girls camp. It was a volunteer gig that my company put together. They had last minute cancellations and I had time on my calendar and so I volunteered. I did not know it was all girls and I certainly did not know I’d be the only guy.
I stayed curious and helped where I could. My job was to be a project manager, help teams understand how to win their competition that had set requirements. So I walked them through all that and looked over their code. There as a dedicated “make up hour” where the girls were encouraged to make their presentations “pretty” with make up, glitter, etc. I personally found it pointless given how far behind we were but I kept my mouth shut.
And I observed.
The fact that these girls could do this and do IT was immensely powerful. You could see their spirits lifted. It rocked my world and made me check my own beliefs. Why not allow them to be pretty? Why not let them take an hour to put glitter and stickers on their board if it made them happy?
Did we win? No. But they enjoyed it.
In my 20+ years in tech, we need more women because they bring perspective in ways I don’t. Not because they want to be pretty because they provide insight in ways I don’t expect. Anything I can do to help make that happen I’ll gladly do.
I like you.
I like him too.
Right back at you!
Sorry think that guy is a troll but appreciate your response.
Why do you think that? They seem to be interacting genuinely to someone elses explanation
Uhh, which part of it is genuine?
I appreciate the 30 Rock reference.
I’m rewatching it and always forget how funny the show is.
Uh…k…not sure which part do that relates to my question?
I have a female friend in STEM who has dealt with an immense amount of misogyny in her field. She’s been the only woman in the room more times than she can keep track of. She has achieved a lot academically, but feels a pressure to conform to a standard of behavior set by men. She loves pink, collects dolls, paints her nails and is unabashedly feminine, and has suffered real social and professional consequences for her gender presentation. It’s literally an act of bravery for her to go to work in a soft fuzzy pink sweater.
I get that the question here is implying that either all little girls are so obsessed with pretty sparkly things that the lack of it would be a detractor, or that it’s reductive to assume that they would and that femininity can take many forms. However, it’s a valid desire to want to do a thing and be accepted for how you are. If a little girl does love pink and glitter and all classically coded feminine things, seeing someone like you in STEM blazing that trail and making a place for you, is just as validating as seeing other minorities in admirable positions. Representation matters.
I will add my own story. Woman, in STEM, I mostly don’t care about what I wear, but sometimes I want to rock it just because. Put on make up, do my nails, wear a skirt. I kept that out of the office until I moved to a department with a flourishing gay community. If they can wear nail polish and skirts, so can I! I’m still usually the only woman in any given room, but maybe not the only one with fancy nails.
As a counterpoint, for a while I was the fanciest dressing person of the department because none of my T-shirts had holes 😒 also got told, jokingly, to not overdo it the one time I wore a shirt.
I have a female friend in STEM who has dealt with an immense amount of misogyny in her field.
That’s really fucking depressing :(
So…no? Not beleiving they can be pretty does discourage girls from choosing to do things?
Yes, believing that they will be discriminated against for things that they like and face negative consequences for expressing who they are will discourage many people from doing things, not just girls.
There are plenty of girls who fit into a more masculine standard of behavior and will integrate better into male dominated spaces. However, some girls will want to enjoy feminine coded things without judgement in those spaces and that is valid too.
K, thanks.
Boys can’t do a thing unless they can look cool?
There’s a big push in media representation that scientific girls are nerdy and not focused on their looks. Having that opposite representation showing that scientists can be pretty too is important. It shows that girls who are focused on their looks can totally be smart too. Not just to be a role model to young women but to help show men that pretty women have a brain and need to be taken seriously. This was the entire plot of legally blonde.
Shouldn’t the comparison be ‘won’t’, not ‘can’t’?
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Girls want to be able to choose how to look. Femininity often causes people in the sciences (and other places too) to take you less seriously. So, there’s negative consequences to choosing to look pretty, making it less of a free choice.
So they will avoid doing things if how they look doing them isn’t how they want to look?
Some of them might, a lot of them won’t. But most of them would be happier if personal freedom of expression weren’t at direct odds with professional fulfilment. Just like, yano, human beings in general.
Would you go in a field in which everyone wears short shorts and you get stared at if you don’t?
Would you “not mind” if your company dress code (for a well paired white collar job) is pink shirt with orange blazer?
Make it absurd and flip it to yourself. Suddenly, you want to wear “normal clothes” but you stick out like a sore thumb if you do. Would you feel comfortable? Day in, day out?
That’s like asking if boys don’t want to do stuff unless they can turn it into a game or competition.
Similar. Do they not?
Sure why not?
I don’t know.
