• phoneymouse@lemmy.world
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    Can’t figure out how to feed and house everyone, but we have almost perfected killer robots. Cool.

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      Especially one that is made to kill everybody else except their own. Let it replace the police. I’m sure the quality controll would be a tad stricter then

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    Great, so I guess the future of terrorism will be fueled by people learning programming and figuring out how to make emps so they can send the murder robots back to where they came from. At this point one of the biggest security threats to the U.S. and for that matter the entire world is the extremely low I.Q. of every one that is supposed to be protecting this world. But I think they do this all on purpose, I mean the day the Pentagon created ISIS was probably their proudest day.

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      The real problem (and the thing that will destroy society) is boomer pride. I’ve said this for a long time, they’re in power now and they are terrified to admit that they don’t understand technology.

      So they’ll make the wrong decisions, act confident and the future will pay the tab for their cowardice, driven solely by pride/fear.

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        Boomers have been in power for a long long time and the technology we are debating is as a result of their investment and prioritisation. So am not sure they are very afraid of it.

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          I didn’t say they were afraid of the technology, I said they were afraid to admit that they don’t understand it enough to legislate it. Their hubris in trying to preset a confident facade in response to something they can’t comprehend is what will end us.

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      Emps are not hard to make, they won’t however work on hardened systems like the US military uses.

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      Is there a way to create an EMP without a nuclear weapon? Because if that’s what they have to develop, we have bigger things to worry about.

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        Your comment got me curious about what would be the easiest way to make a homemade emp. Business Insider of all things has got us all covered, even if that business may be antithetical to business insiders pro capitalistic agenda.

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        Yeah very easy ways, one of the most common ways to cheat a slot machine is with a localized emp device to convince the machine you’re adding tokens.

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        One way involves replacing the flash with an antenna on an old camera flash. It’s not strong enough to fry electronics, but your phone might need anything from a reboot to a factory reset to servicing if it’s in range when that goes off.

        I think the difficulty for EMPs comes from the device itself being an electronic, so the more effective the pulse it can give, the more likely it will fry its own circuits. Though if you know the target device well, you can target the frequencies it is vulnerable to, which could be easier on your own device, plus everything else in range that don’t resonate on the same frequencies as the target.

        Tesla apparently built (designed?) a device that could fry a whole city with a massive lighting strike using just 6 transmitters located in various locations on the planet. If that’s true, I think it means it’s possible to create an EMP stronger than a nuke’s that doesn’t have to destroy itself in the process, but it would be a massive infrastructure project spanning multiple countries. There was speculation that massive antenna arrays (like HAARP) might be able to accomplish similar from a single location, but that came out of the conspiracy theory side of the world, so take that with a grain of salt (and apply that to the original Tesla invention also).

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      A true autonomous system would have Integrated image recognition chips on the drones themselves, and hardening against any EM interference. They would not have any comms to their ‘mothership’ once deployed.

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      so I guess the future of terrorism will be fueled by people learning programming and figuring out how to make emps

      Honestly the terrorists will just figure out what masks to wear to get the robots to think they’re friendly/commanders, then turn the guns around on our guys

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    It’s so much easier to say that the AI decided to bomb that kindergarden based on advanced Intel, than if it were a human choice. You can’t punish AI for doing something wrong. AI does not require a raise for doing something right either

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      That’s an issue with the whole tech industry. They do something wrong, say it was AI/ML/the algorithm and get off with just a slap on the wrist.

      We should all remember that every single tech we have was built by someone. And this someone and their employer should be held accountable for all this tech does.

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      1979: A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision.

      2023: A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must make all decisions that are inconvenient to take accountability for.

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      Whether in military or business, responsibility should lie with whomever deploys it. If they’re willing to pass the buck up to the implementor or designer, then they shouldn’t be convinced enough to use it.

      Because, like all tech, it is a tool.

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      You can’t punish AI for doing something wrong.

      Maybe I’m being pedantic, but technically, you do punish AIs when they do something “wrong”, during training. Just like you reward it for doing something right.

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        But that is during training. I insinuated that you can’t punish AI for making a mistake, when used in combat situations, which is very convenient for the ones intentionally wanting that mistake to happen

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    As an important note in this discussion, we already have weapons that autonomously decide to kill humans. Mines.

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      Imagine a mine that could move around, target seek, refuel, rearm, and kill hundreds of people without human intervention. Comparing an autonomous murder machine to a mine is like comparing a flint lock pistol to the fucking gattling cannon in an a10.

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        Well, an important point you and him. Both forget to mention is that mines are considered inhumane. Perhaps that means AI murdering should also be considered. Inhumane, and we should just not do it instead of allowing landmines.

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        Imagine a mine that could move around, target seek, refuel, rearm, and kill hundreds of people without human intervention. Comparing an autonomous murder machine to a mine is like comparing a flint lock pistol to the fucking gattling cannon in an a10.

        For what it’s worth, there’s footage on youtube of drone swarm demonstrations that were posted 6 years ago. Considering that the military doesn’t typically release footage of the cutting edge of its tech to the public, so this demonstration was likely for a product that was already going obsolete; and that the 6 years that have passed since have made lightning fast developments in things like facial recognition… at this point I’d be surprised if we weren’t already at the very least field testing the murder machines you described.

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    We are all worried about AI, but it is humans I worry about and how we will use AI not the AI itself. I am sure when electricity was invented people also feared it but it was how humans used it that was/is always the risk.

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    Remember: There is no such thing as an “evil” AI, there is such a thing as evil humans programming and manipulating the weights, conditions, and training data that the AI operates on and learns from.

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    any intelligent creature, artificial or not, recognizes the pentagon as the thing that needs to be stopped first

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    As disturbing as this is, it’s inevitable at this point. If one of the superpowers doesn’t develop their own fully autonomous murder drones, another country will. And eventually those drones will malfunction or some sort of bug will be present that will give it the go ahead to indiscriminately kill everyone.

    If you ask me, it’s just an arms race to see who build the murder drones first.

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      I feel like it’s ok to skip to optimizing the autonomous drone-killing drone.

      You’ll want those either way.

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        If entire wars could be fought by proxy with robots instead of humans, would that be better (or less bad) than the way wars are currently fought? I feel like it might be.

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          You’re headed towards the Star Trek episode “A Taste of Armageddon”. I’d also note, that people losing a war without suffering recognizable losses are less likely to surrender to the victor.

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    For everyone who’s against this, just remember that we can’t put the genie back in the bottle. Like the A Bomb, this will be a fact of life in the near future.

    All one can do is adapt to it.

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      There is a key difference though.

      The A bomb wasn’t a technology that as the arms race advanced enough would develop the capacity to be anywhere between a conscientious objector to an usurper.

      There’s a prisoner’s dilemma to arms races that in this case is going to lead to world powers effectively paving the path to their own obsolescence.

      In many ways, that’s going to be uncharted territory for us all (though not necessarily a bad thing).

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      It’s not terrifying whatsoever. In an active combat zone there are two kinds of people - enemy combatants and allies.

      Your throw an RFID chip on allies and boom you’re done

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          I am not. Turns out you can pick and choose where and when to use drones.

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            which is why the US military has not ever bombed any civilians, weddings, schools, hospitals or emergency infrastructure in living memory 😇🤗

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              They chose to do that. You’re against that policy, not drones themselves.

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            Preeeetty sure you are. And if you can, you should probably let the US military know they can do that, because they haven’t bothered to so far.

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              These are very different drones. The drones youre thinking of have pilots. They also minimize casualties - civilian an non - so you’re not really mad at the drones, but of the policy behind their use. Specifically, when air strikes can and cannot be authorized.

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                So now you acknowledge that third type of person lol. And that’s the thing about new drones, it’s not great that they can authorize themselves lol.

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                  And that’s the thing about new drones, it’s not great that they can authorize themselves lol

                  I very strongly disagree with this statement. I believe a drone “controller” attached to every unit is a fantastic idea, and that drones having a minimal capability to engage hostile enemies without direction is going to be hugely impactful.

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        I’m sorry, I can’t get past the “autonomous AI weapons killing humans part”

        That’s fucking terrifying.