I keep wondering where they all come from? Is the CIA running a bot farm to downvote any post that calls them out?
Any chance you guys can get hobbies other than shitposts?
Wdym another hobby???
I sometimes wonder if the partly deranged flare of those propaganda memes is due to translation issuses. Why do opressor stans always belive just because you are against their opression you must be for the opression of their enemies.
For the liberals, a metaphor:
It’s the end of the American Civil War. The Southern lines have collapsed, the Union is surging. Robert E Lee and the remaining confederates, rather than surrender, decide to retreat to the island of Puerto Rico. The US Army moves to pursue them, but Spain sends an armada to point it’s guns at Florida.
Once ensconced on Puerto Rico, the slavers initiate a brutal anti-abolitionist crackdown that sees them murder tens of thousands of people. Then they proceed to implement four decades of martial law and throw at least 140,000 people into concentration camps on suspicion of being “yankee sympathizers”. Thousands more are disappeared into the jungle by the Dixie death squads.
Meanwhile, Spain floods Europe with propaganda about the noble freedom fighters of Puerto Rico and their valiant struggle against Northern Aggression. To this day, the face of Robert E “Memphis Massacre” Lee is stamped on the money.
The Confederates continue to claim sole ownership over all the territory of America, plus some of Canada for good measure. In taverns and coffee shops from Barcelona to Berlin, any mention of the USA is likely to be met with a self-satisfied “You mean West Puerto Rico?😏”
Saved! I’ll show this to people, if it ever comes up.
I believe in the right of self-determination for all peoples. The populace of Taiwan need to consent to being governed by the PRC, and currently support for one China in Taiwan is very low, based on what I’ve read. That might change in the future.
There should be no outside interference or anyone trying to pull the strings, and the issue should be solved peacefully.
This point of view makes sense. Perhaps the best possible way to resolve the issue peacefully.
The populace of Taiwan need to consent to being governed by the PRC, and currently support for one China in Taiwan is very low, based on what I’ve read.
The state that currently rules Taiwan engaged in white terror and killed dissidents. The population of Taiwan obviously did not consent to that, but you accept their rule just fine. So, you are inconsistent.
Furthermore, that state is a collaborator for the most evil polity in the world - NATO. That means that the considerations of their population’s wants are secondary to stopping the horrors that NATO has been inflicting upon the world.
I have no idea what my political leaning may be labelled as, but that sums up nicely how I feel on this subject and many others. Thanks.
Fuck the ‘Democratic Socialists’ or whatever the succdems call themselves now.
Doesn’t Taiwan call itself RoC, while China call itself PRoC?
So they both are having claims, right?
The communists won in the civil war with wider support and the KMT escaped to Taiwan.And atleast some people on both sides seem to be thinking about reunification. I think the communists are more correct, but ultimately let the people there decide on how they reunify.
Right now, in Taiwan, most people just want the status quo. China is confident Taiwan will eventually choose full integration eventually, and the biggest obstacle is US presense.
The only reason they want the status quo is because if they would want to separate taiwan would be hell on earth lol
Also because they depend economically on trade with and work on the mainland.
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About what i’ve come to expect from .world users
As a .world user, in broadlines, what did they say?
It was the ultimate liberal argument, i won’t quote since it would defeat the purpose of moderation, but you can see for yourself if you click the last icon under the comment and then last option in the pop up menu.
Oh lordie eeuw. But ye i asked for the general vibe because quoting it would be useless haha
Free Tibet!
Free the Dalai Lama’s Tibetan slaves
Oh wait already did
Tired: Theocratic monarchy where the crown is passed from you to your heir
Wired: Theocratic monarchy where the crown is passed from you to yourself reborn
Already has been. Two excerpts from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth:
Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.” [12]
Secular leaders also did well. A notable example was the commander-in-chief of the Tibetan army, a member of the Dalai Lama’s lay Cabinet, who owned 4,000 square kilometers of land and 3,500 serfs. [13] Old Tibet has been misrepresented by some Western admirers as “a nation that required no police force because its people voluntarily observed the laws of karma.” [14] In fact it had a professional army, albeit a small one, that served mainly as a gendarmerie for the landlords to keep order, protect their property, and hunt down runaway serfs.
Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeatedremoved, beginning at age nine. [15] The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.
In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. [16] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care. They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land — or the monastery’s land — without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. [17] Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. [18]
As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.” [19] Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed. [20]
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery. [21]
The theocracy’s religious teachings buttressed its class order. The poor and afflicted were taught that they had brought their troubles upon themselves because of their wicked ways in previous lives. Hence they had to accept the misery of their present existence as a karmic atonement and in anticipation that their lot would improve in their next lifetime. The rich and powerful treated their good fortune as a reward for, and tangible evidence of, virtue in past and present lives.
Selection two, shorter: (CW sexual violence and mutilation)
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who wasremovedd and then had her nose sliced away. [25]
Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W. F. T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. […] The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.” [26] As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri-La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.
-Dr. Michael Parenti
Imperialism is cool as long as the people doing the imperialism call themselves socialists or communists 🙂↕️
Four decades of martial law and mass murder is cool as long as the people doing it say they’re fighting the communists😊
I love liberals so high on their own farts they just straight up ignore TAIWAN’S OWN POSITION which is that they ARE China and have a legitimate claim to the entire Chinese mainland. How dare the EVIL PRC oppose them 🙄🙄🙄
Imperialism is when you have a civil war.
Liberals always think “imperialism” is when you say things about places you don’t directly rule. I am begging you to learn about unequal exchange and foreign interference. Imperialism is a process of incredible violence where labor and resources are extracted, finished products are sold back at a high price, and governments who resist are interfered with. Imperialism is enforced by organizations such as the IMF, CIA, and US Military.
If China were like American imperialists, Taiwan would have been reduced to rubble long ago. A better example of imperialism would be the attempt America has been discussing to steal Taiwan’s semiconductor manufacturing industry.
You don’t understand, western nations helped defend one side of the civil war and propped them up as part of a global ideological conflict they wanted to engage in with countries on the other side of the globe from them. Not agreeing to allow their proxy to act with impunity is textbook imperialism.
Imperialism is actually when you are the victim of imperialism, checkmate tankies. The real imperialists are the country that avoids projecting power outside their own border and hasn’t gone to war since the 80s, not the one with hundred of military bases around the world that they use to violently enforce their global hegemony.
I am not defending US imperialism, just criticizing a double standard.
Imperialism is a state seeking to maintain and/or extend power over other states. That is exactly what China is doing with Taiwan. Of course, unequal exchange is also a form of imperialism.
Imperialism is when you have a civil war.
That’s just wrong. What is true though is that civil wars more often than not are influenced by foreign powers trying to influence them to their own benefit.
All states influence other states. The point they brought up about “civil wars being imperialism” was said sarcastically.
Imperialism is where one nation financially dominates and plunders another. Conflict, bombing, coups, etc can all aid in this, but the fundemental baseline requires there to be plunder, not just influence.
The PRC isn’t imperializing Taiwan, though. China is not dominating and plundering Taiwan. The US Empire is using its alliance with the right-wing nationalists that fled there after they lost the civil war against the communists in order to have a millitary foothold in the region.
China is not dominating and plundering Taiwan.
Really all that needs to be said. Imperialism is easy to recognize, because the enforcement is obvious. There’s an international organization headquartered in DC whose business it is to tell countries they’re not allowed to have welfare, and it’s not the Bank of China[1]. There’s a spy agency that overthrows governments all over the world when they don’t comply with its government’s desires, and it’s not the Ministry of State Security[2]. There’s a military that has hundreds of bases all around the world and has been in an almost continuous string of unprovoked wars for decades, and it’s not the PLA[3].
Yep!
Imperialism is when you don’t concede that a bunch of fascists who fought and lost a civil war and then fortified themselves on an island with the help of foreign powers and violently purged dissenters get to claim to be the government of both your country and other neighboring countries. The more that you spend decades seeking reconciliation diplomatically instead of through military ventures, the more imperialist you are.
Aah.
Posing a question on this same logic(I don’t agree with this, just asking to see whether you view it similarly. Also, assuming that you are USAmerican):
Are the Southern states of USAmerica under imperialism now?
Or is imperialism cool when it’s the Northern USAmerican states doing imperialism on the Confederate States?Got a text from someone that has been interacting with some folks from Taiwan on an international trip. This was how they described the situation.
They are in their 60’s and grew up in Taiwan and own an apartment in Taipei, returning often, both speak Mandarin. They said the Taiwanese do NOT fear China, that is the opinion of the US government.
