Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.
I’ve always been happy to be Canadian, but the current state of things in the US… I mean, we’ve got our problems, but god damn. My friends aren’t in danger of being disappeared by government agents because they’re not pale white.
1775: Breaking News, there’s a growing number of colonists who think violence is necessary…
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Suprisingly, both of them are on the same side of the barricade.
Depends on how you define “patriot”. If it is strictly nationalism, then yeah. If you define “patriot” as someone who loves, in this context, democracy and human dignity, then I would disagree.
I’ve never known the term “patriot” to not be soley a nationalist dog-whistle… unless we’re talking about beers on Family Guy
magats are not patriots.
Patriots love their country and criticize it when its wrong.
Nationalists create a fantasy narrative of what their concept of a “country” is, and think that’s the best thing in the world.
I probably fit into the category of “patriot”, I love the multiculturalism of the US, I love the progress that has been made on Civil Rights and the protection of people with disabilities and recognition of the rights of LGBT+ people, I love the constitution (well… some parts need to be tweaked), the 1st and 2nd amendments, separation of powers, the idea that “American” is not a race, but an ideal; And I do recognize that the history is dark and those dark history should be taught so we can prevent those from happening, and I do NOT support this administration’s blatant violation of the constitution and anyone involved should be thrown in jail.
These “nationalists” don’t even love the country, they do not support freedom, they are traitors, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Depending on how the question was worded Im willing to bet a large portion of those means violence against the lunatic leftists.
I mean, I’m for it. Just waiting for the green light when it’s ok to punch a Nazi and be considered a patriot and not a criminal…
Be clear, I believe in peace first. But when peace and negotiation is no longer an option, your hand is forced until peace and negotiation is an option.
Think of it like this. Bully attacks you, you ask them to stop and they don’t. One day you decide to put the bully in an wrist lock! Bully is now screaming in pain. Bully now agrees to stop attacking you. Peace has been restored.
I could wish really really hard that you’re wrong, but you’re not.
Well if an ICE officer stops my husband based on his appearance we’ve both agreed that we should resist that arrest.
That would end in violence and probably our deaths. What else can we do? Let them take us god knows where?
And after all that training we’ve had to never let kidnappers take you to a secondary location! There really isn’t another choice.
I don’t think getting it on track requires or will even be helped by violence
I firmly believe, however, that many powerful people will violently resist the re-tracking
This is an amazing nuance I think may be lost on many.
PBS running these insipid polls lately is so fucking offensive.
Americans are already doing violence on Americans to execute their fascist vision of this country, en masse, within and without institutions. Violent change is here. The violence question is over. Public opinion is for TV.
Unfortunately that appears to be the only way to get rid of them. They continually ignore the established laws and protests and " sternly worded emails/letters/phonecalls.
The Rest of The World: “duh!”
Well it’s true. You can’t be diplomatic with fascists. You can’t “get on the same level” with billionaires.
They have no reason to listen or care, unless we give them a reason to listen or care.
And no matter what, all violence is somehow leftist violence. Trump in his speech to the generals said that they need to deploy against ‘animals’ who fire at firefighters climbing ladders to save people. At first I was incredulous, but then I saw a comment that pointed out that not too long ago a Trump supporter really did fire at firefighters doing their jobs (and climbing ladders). Not only that, but he was the one who started the fire in the first place to bait them.
Yet it is our fault somehow…
Soap box, ballot box, ammo box. They’re trying to take away the 1st 2, so…
You point is valid, but you forgot “jury box”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty
Well we tried that too and the pussy ass judge gave 0 days in jail so.
Pick up a history book.
Fascists don’t allow fair elections.
Fascists don’t stop when asked politely.
Unfortunately, that 30% is correct.
Arm yourselves and everyone you know. Form networks. Communicate via encrypted messaging apps.
The justice system, from the government perspective, is primarily a guard against vigilantism. Once enough people lose faith in the justice system’s ability to enforce the law with at least some degree of honesty and fairness, then the only option people see is to take justice into their own hands.
And when you have meetings. Arrange them in coded language and have everyone leave their phones and smartwatches at home before they go.
“Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
The government said pacifism is naive and dangerous
