As above question.
Are they counted as ‘digitally excluded’ and how fucked are the actually digitally excluded residents?
I have a USB Cards reader. Works great and only cost 30 bucks.
Swedish BankID and most banking apps work on grapheneos and lineageos. The only exception I know of is Revolut that just refuses to work on grapheneos.
What an uncritical, fluff article. Thanks for posting and asking questions OP. Government control and security concerns are both essential parts of this conversation, utterly overlooked by the article.
Norwegian BankID can only be installed via the app store, but it still works if you use the Aurora store and G.Micro.
Though I’d like to advocate publishing the app through an F-Droid repo.
You have to give a US corporation your details (Google or Apple) to live and work in the UK.
Think about that for a second.
I’m just going to buy a dumb phone and tell them to send it to me in the post, like they do in every other place on the planet.
This is already shaping up to be a cack handed implementation that will solve sweet fuck all. They may a well not bother.
I mean, I’m not a nationalist; idgaf where the corporation’s base of operations is, they’re untrustworthy regardless.
Can you elaborate on this and/or give a link?
Well, if you go to the app store, to install the app, you’ll need either a Google, or apple account. As a normal, non tech warrior civilian.
In doing so, I will have to interact with a US corporation to get my ID on my phone.
I get that part. What about it being required to work or find housing?
Don’t worry about feeling slow - I too just got what they meant. The Digital ID, which will have to be voluntarily installed via Google or Apple, will be a mandatory requirement in order to work.
Employers already have to verify employee information with the UK government in order to make sure the government will comply with the whole chain-link process of labour and wages. This is supposed, in addition to eliminating “illegal immigrants”, to streamline that verification.
I haven’t witnessed it but given the nationalism Britain is famous for I’m sure that the UK government has also placed some ID verification barrier to filter out all the ‘dirty illegals’ trying to legally acquire a home.
After all, the government already monetises every aspect of every single resident’s existence. They simply must know who lives where, as the government claims ownership of all land and all properties; buying a home is just renting from them.
So what you mean is that the comment is wild conspiracy speculation. Gotchya.
Yeah, just like you don’t need an active phone number to get 99% of jobs, rent 99% of houses, or open 99% of bank accounts.
A phone number being a mandatory requirement to exist in the 21st century would be a really ludicrous conspiracy theory.
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These both require ID, which themselves will require permission from google or Apple.
Sorry I probably sound like an idiot. Im wanting to know if there’s a detailed write up or something you’d reccomend.
I’m not sure. All I know is, as a UK everyday person, I’ll need to give google or apple my details to install that app, so I can live and work.
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My phone is 14 years old, so no modern apps (especially the ones needing extra security) work there. In Ireland, we don’t have a digital ID card, but there have been some equivalents:
- During Covid, we had a digital vaccination pass. However, it was possible to request a paper version, which was supposed to be accepted everywhere (it wasn’t).
- Due to 2FA, many companies require a phone authenticator. Those companies that provide legally mandated products or services are required to provide an alternative to people without smartphones. For example, when I needed to renew my car insurance and couldn’t do it online, the company had a phone number for over the phone renewal.
- There’s currently a fight whether one of our airlines can mandate app-only boarding passes, effectively excluding people without modern phones. Since they don’t provide essential service that’s mandated by law, they argue they should be able to do so.
My phone is 14 years old
Incredible work tbh. Mind me asking what phone that is?
I got 5 years out of my last one and 3 so far on current one and feel like I’m doing well with 8 years from two phones.
Samsung Galaxy S2. I’ve been always using it only for calling, texting, checking the weather in the morning, and automatic sync with my watch after a run (and perhaps with some light Internet browsing), so combined with a phone case, the phone has seen very little outside world, which limited any potential damage. I did have to replace the battery twice, though.
Now that my Canon Powershot died, though, I’m still considering whether to upgrade to a phone with good optics or get a new camera. They are roughly the same price.
S2 was a great phone in fairness. If you do upgrade the phone you’ll be shocked at how far screens have come in that time. Cameras too but more on the mid range and higher phones. Cheaper ones are still taking mid pictures.
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What can I say? German ID app just works on GrapheneOS 🤷
(Although my shitty health insurance company thinks it’s not ‘secure enough’…)
In Australia you can’t access any government services via “myGov” or “Medicare” on graphene… But the face scanning “myID” verification app works which is the highest accepted level of ID verification by digital govt services… How ridiculous
German here: There’s an ID app??? Seriously, I never heard of that.
Which is kind of ok imo, they don’t force you to use it.
Ahhh I just looked it up, it’s an app that allows you to use the physical ID card for online verification. I knew that one, thought we have a fully digital ID now. That’d be a real innovation.
Same on e/OS.
Banking and eID work just fine.
Health insurance first worked fine, got enshitificated, and later login ws restricted to password, no fingerprint…
I get a similar thing with my Barclaycard app. It sulks and won’t run with my FOSS keyboard active.
Ya. My benefits app warns me to use google’s stock keyboard because my FOSS keyboard may be spying on me.
Boneheaded org has got it backwards!
A warning I can click through would be frustrating but liveable. My banking app refuses to load and throws me out until i change keyboards. Utter ass.
I’ll be switching to GrapheneOS in a few months. If an app doesn’t work, then we’ll be doing something different.
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Japan apparently has the same problem. It definitely has that probably using a phone to scan the id card to use various services (which is why I run stock android, mostly, with transit passed and banking being the other reasons).
I say apparently because I have zero interest in having the id on my phone itself.
Rooting apparently makes FELICA not work which is super inconvenient in Japan.
If the security implementation relies on device not being compromised it is not secure at all
The current German “Ausweisapp” also works on GrapheneOS.
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France: never used that digital thing.
There are always options beyond digital ID where I live. I am minimally inconvenienced for not using it.
This is not the case for what Starmer wants to do.
it’s country dependent. here there’s multiple digital id providers with different criteria. there’s one owned by the largest isp, one owned cooperatively by all the banks, and one owned by the state which very few people use. the bank one is the most popular, and it used to work fine on custom roms. i think that support got worse once they started adding more hardware-backed security.
i don’t have the mental energy to fight it at this point, but if i did i’d try to run the state-backed one on sailfish just to see what happens.
Just don’t use the digital ID, and use protocols that don’t require it. Simple as that.
