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I mean it also benefits salaried employees, 13 months means 26 pay periods
But you typically get paid an amount per year, divided between pay periods. You work the same amount, get paid the same amount overall, and get more pay periods at the expense of less pay per period
There’s the same amount of weeks though. It’s just spread over 13 months instead of 12 so it would be the same total bi-weekly pay periods.
Not necessarily, some companies do half way and end of the month instead of strict every two weeks so they can claim a consistent monthly wage
I would like to believe in calendar reform as a goal. At the same time, I think calendars are one of the only pretty decent somewhat universal standards we have going for us, and if we changed it at all, you KNOW we would just be using two competing standards, not everyone would want to switch because people are stupid, so unless you forced it from the top down through technology, like a really advanced, shitty version of y2k, which would make people super pissed, I dunno if any of it would work.
This is the reason. Small changes like un-doing Daylight Savings is doable. But moving every holiday, birthday, and anniversary to another month+day combo would make this move daunting. The inertia of this kind of data would just make any transition period super long. So while you could implement the new calendar as a locale for phones and computer operating systems, but you’d probably be using two calendars for the rest of your life.
Not necessarily. Up until a fixed date for all the world, current calendar. From that day on, new calendar.
My initial thought was “well, we changed calendars before, we can do it again” but then realizing the world’s current population of ~8 gigapeople is considerably larger than what the population was the last time the calendar was changed to what it is now.
Last time there were riots. “They stole 10 days”.
Oh wow, I would never have considered that they’d think like that.
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It really annoys the hell out of me that we don’t use a better calendar. I think about this once a week at least. I feel like being stuck with the Gregorian calendar is a good example of why so many inefficient structures exist in society - some assholes centuries ago decided on a thing, and out of habit and laziness we’ve stuck with it since.
They programming community calls this technical debt.
Right? Imagine using the sun and the moon to track time. So fucking dumb.
Can we give the UN all the power it can and have them implement this new calendar?
No.
Unfortunately, you’re right.
I came up with this independently years ago. It’ll never catch on for the idiotic reason that you can’t subdivide 13 like you can 12. 13 is a prime number, while 12 can be divided easily by 2, 3, 4, and 6. 12 is like the whore of simple math.
Yeah, but that only matters for months. We could instead just use weeks since there are 52 weeks per year, so a quarter would be 13 weeks instead of 3 months. It would be easier to determine how many weeks there are in a span of a couple months because it’s not variable, or any number of months because they’re just multiples of 4. I know a lot of people would be turned off by the system because the number 13 comes up so often and people are superstitious but it really would make things easier imo.
I just wish the Earth turned a little slower so a year has 360 days and each day gives you a clean one degree of angular movement (or we defined a full revolution around an axis as 365 degrees since 360 is arbitrary too as far as math is concerned. Actually, anyone know why we didn’t do that?)
I just wish the Earth turned a little slower
Good news, all you have to do is wait…several billion years!
What level civilization do we need to be to fix this ourselves
Futurama managed it in that one episode. By cats no less.
But that’s only 364 days. Which month gets the extra day, throwing the while thing off?
can we put the extra 30 hours on the end of each year as a formless blob of ‘time off’?
On new years eve at midnight we stop the clocks for 1.24 days, then start them again.
What about syncing with the sun? I feel like doing that for a day every year and every 4 years an extra day after would be better.
You could have one day outside of all months. It could be a holiday or something.
At a certain point in each year, probably at the end, we get one extra monthless day, a holiday.
Every 4 years we do two monthless days.
Also, what the fuck is wrong with Jesse? We start each month on Sunday, so that the month is divided into 4 weeks. Not one almost-week, three full weeks, and a spare hanging chad of a Sunday.
February. Just because it’s always been shorter.
The prime factors of 365 is 5 and 73, hence a month should either be 73 days and there should be 5 of them, or there should be 73 months with 5 days each.
Mathematical perfection!
Problem here is there’s actually 365.25 days in a year, the .25 is why we have leap years.
Ok, thats fine, we’ll just… The factors of 365.25 are: 487¹×3¹×2⁻²
Wait…
Your mom has leap years
Yes also 364 days from 13x28 would not align with years around the sun. We’d still need a leap year with 5x73 but that’s easier than correcting from 364.
I just thought of something that could be better,
Scrap months altogether, just divide the year into quarters of 13 weeks each, name them for the seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, there isn’t really a reason why we need months specifically, if it’s to shorten date numbers then count by week number and day number
Day/Week/Quarter/Year
Today’s 7/8/4/23
I don’t like how I have to write another / and number. As a human, I am lazy.
That, and Americans would do something stupid like have it be quarter/day/week/year or something.
Year/quarter/day would be sufficient
Preferably year/quarter/week/day but good idea
nah hold on it has to be
day/quarter/week/year
/s
An eagle hatched as soon as you posted that comment.
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I mean it’s the same amount you were paying before so just save for it like you had before
The only authority I’ve seen that pushes 13 months is WMATA in DC, so they can charge you 13 times per year for a metro pass instead of 12. I always felt like that was some BS.
The thirteen month calendar is called the International Fixed Calendar. George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company back in 1928, and it was used there until 1989.
how did the cherokee account for the fact that this is mathematically incorrect and would cause dates to drift across the actual solar year?
Well, it’s incorrect when it comes to the solar year but is correct when it comes to the lunar cycles. So I guess they didn’t track time by the solar year then. It’s just a matter of cultural perspective. Tracking the seasons and the lunar cycles were probably more important to Indigenous Americans because of needing to know when to seed, harvest, and hunt as opposed to knowing the exact time it takes for the earth to loop around the sun.
the seasons are a function of the earth’s position in its orbit around the sun, not the number of moon cycles that have taken place
OK. Whatever you say. I guess the turtle shell is all bullshit.
You must’ve come from reddit.
you’re the one badly misunderstanding the how the solar cycle works, how the lunar cycle works (it’s not exactly 28 days, the turtle shell method wouldn’t work here either), how seasons work, mythologizing “Indigenous Americans” as though they’re a monolith and pretending they’re too stupid to realize that the flower moon of this year is a lot warmer than the flower moon of the year they were born. you’ve substituted pop mythology for actually thinking about a problem, then got defensive, insulting and shitty when someone pointed out that your basic assumptions are deeply, provably flawed. if you’re gonna be a dick, at least be smart.
How bouts you shut the fuck up and quit your childish fucking arguing. I’m sooo sorry that I ruined your fucking day so bad for mentioning a method of keeping track of time that differs from your understanding of the world. You do realize I didn’t create the concept, right? Just keep focusing your anger on me since it’s obviously my fault. Fucking drama queen Redditor piece of shit.
Have a nice day. 🖕
What’s your problem? Why am I your target? Please explain. All I did was point out that the concept of the 13 month calendar is really old. Then I said it’s accurate if you aren’t worried about a full sun cycle. Of course it’s not as accurate as the gregorian calendar. Why are you fucking blaming that all on me? What the fuck did I do to you to deserve this shit? And yeah, I know you’re a redditor because all you redditors tend to like to start arguments where there are none, just to make yourself feel important. Please take your calendar arguments to the Indigenous Americans who created it and explain to them why their “basic assumptions are probably flawed.”
Is this true??? If so WHY THE F… ARE WR STILL USING THE CURRENT CALENDAR.
Honestly I would be all for a new calendar if this is true
The issue is that 13 is not divisible by anything, so we can’t split the year by halves or quarters like we do now.
Sure you can, just not by months, you would need to use weeks instead to retain integer values. A half year would be 26 weeks and a quarter year would just be 13 weeks. Of course this fails if you wish to divide further, but at that point you could just say 2 months and people would know for certain you are saying 8 weeks.
Well, pregnancies are measured in weeks, so not that big of a leap.
Can’t be as bad as daylight savings though.
Fun fact: this calendar exists and was in use by Eastman Kodak for most of its existence:
In keeping with tradition though we can only do this if we add the new month after August and name it Tiber.
For The Emperor!
I’m ok with this.
itt: 13 * 28 = 365.25
It’s an incomplete explanation. You have New Year’s Day as an intercalary day, essentially January 0th creating a 3 day weekend. It’s either considered a Saturday or not assigned a day of the week at all. Leap days are either immediately after or inserted as June 0th the same way.
so it’s still full of arbitrary bullshit? “we’ll just have a day that doesn’t count every year and another day that doesn’t count every 4 years except when the year is divisible by 100”.
the idea here is that this system is more intuitive than our own, but it’s not.
No system can avoid arbitrary bullshit because the earth doesn’t go around the sun in an amount of time that’s an exact multiple of the time it takes to rotate.
Sounds like why fuck with it then. There’s a cost to converting that will be paid only to replace one set of arbitrary bullshit with another set of arbitrary bullshit. You can say you prefer one bullshit to another and no one can dispute you on that, but in the end it’s just one set of bullshit vs another and I’m already committed to the current one.
It’s probably too difficult to implement now because of computers being entrenched in the existing system. If we were going to implement it, it would have been 100 years ago.
Same issue with a dozenal number system…
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What is actually better about it? It’s a bit more intuitive except for where it isn’t, and it forces people to develop an entirely new concept of the 0th of January (and occasionally 0th of June). What do we do on the 0th? How does that fit into things that cycle with a period of 1 month? It breaks the idea that a 1 month period is equivalent to a 4 week period, which is supposed to be the entirety of why we’re doing this in the first place.
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The problem is that the earth doesn’t orbit around the sun in a whole # of days. A sidereal year is 365 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes and 10 seconds, or 365.256 days.
Likewise, the moon doesn’t orbit the earth in a perfect whole # of days either. The moon takes 27.3 days.
Since we cannot change the orbital period or rotation of the earth, we are kind of stuck with accommodating the “arbitrary bullshit” of astrophysical bodies.
then, as I said to the last person who pointed this out even though my math implies that I already know it, why this new bullshit instead of the bullshit we’ve already implemented?
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