• gedaliyah@lemmy.world
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    Just weird how Japan, Korea, France, Sweden, Ethiopia, China, Turkey, India, Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Denmark, South Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Nigeria, Rwanda, Morocco, Palestine, Italy, Greece, Syria, Lebanon, Austria, Croatia, Moldova, Pakistan, Nepal, India, Thailand, Yemen, Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Laos, Vietnam, Ireland, Armenia, Serbia, Uganda, etc…

    …are all states created as a homeland for a particular ethnic group, yet only one ethnic group is criticized for it. 🤔

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      only one ethnic group is criticized for it

      China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs (recently) and other groups (historically). Rwanda’s treatment of minorities was pretty big news a while back. I don’t think you’d need to look too far for coverage on the treatment of recent immigrants in the EU.

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        China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs

        Most Muslim countries do not condemn it. Most countries that are cool with bombing muslim countries condemn it. Curious.

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            He says it’s ok to torture Muslims because other Muslims also torture Muslims and are OK with it or don’t care, so we should all be OK with it as well, or at the very least not care about them. Perfectly sound logic, you see.

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              No, what he’s saying is almost every Muslim country has sent investigators to China, and not one has found evidence of torture or abuse.

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              Not a man, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.

              The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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            The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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      Wow, this definitely is the most insane claim I have seen in the last 3 months at least.

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        Israel is also a pluralistic society, in which all citizens (a quarter of which are not Jewish) are guaranteed complete equal rights under the law. There are multiple Arab parties in the parliament (Knesset).

        Can you explain why France has a greater number of Arabic speakers than Israel but no Arabic language schools, while Israel has hundreds of state funded Arabic language schools that parents can choose to send their kids?

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          I’ve got a book about the history of trains, but I’ve not seen anything about this. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?

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          Im not your friend guy, and nah the onus is on you to give me a source that says every state you listed is an ethnostate, not just say, ‘rEaD a hIsToRy bOoK’

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                Well you edited your comment that said we were friends, now I have to edit mine.

                What’s your source for the original claim that Israel is an ethnostate?

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                  Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.

                  The law does three big things:

                  It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”

                  It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”

                  It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”

                  source

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                    lol what a shitty and thinly veiled religious law.

                    1. god gave us this land, nobody else got their land from god

                    2. our traditional language that our religious texts are written in is the most important and official language

                    3. we should spread and settle outside of internationally agreed boundaries because we are god’s chosen people

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                    So, before 2018 when the controversial law was passed (not sure what you mean happened last week) you believe that Israel was not an ethnostate?

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      Really, foreign powers went into Japan, colonized it, held it for decades, and then gave it to a group of people who aren’t from there and forced 700,000 indigenous Japanese to leave their country and live in a concentration camp?

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        As a student of history, how many “decades” was Palestine under rule by a foreign power before 1948? What date were the people of Palestine first conquered?

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      Jewish people aren’t an ethnic group any more than Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.

      Judaism is simply a religion.

      Edit: Well TIL. Apologies, I didn’t mean to appear ignorant. Thank you to the people who have pointed out my misunderstanding. I will be reading more about this and try to get a better grasp on this topic.

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        We absolutely are. Defining Judaism as a religion alone is ignorant and christocentric.

        Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity, defined by common origin, language, history, sense of identity, culture, folklore, music, clothing, cuisine, etc.

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          Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity

          No. National identity is a relatively modern idea for any group of people. Being Jewish is being part of a culture, not a nation.

          The person you’re responding to is an ass but you’re swinging too far in the opposite direction.

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        In order to be Jewish your mother needs to be Jewish. Converted Jews are widely shunned by the Jewish community.

        Anyone can convert to those other religions without needing a certain ethnicity.