Before the Dawn (2019) is, without exaggeration, the worst film I’ve ever seen—and for one giant reason: it’s pedophile apologia.

Yes, the script is laughably bad, the performances are wood stiff, and the whole thing reeks of self-importance. But what really makes it irredeemable is how brazenly it romanticizes statutory rape.

Look at the poster. The framing is a giant red flag: a classroom, a chalkboard, students in their desks—then front and center, a teacher in a low-cut red top pressing forehead-to-forehead with a teenage boy. The film isn’t hiding its subject matter. It’s flaunting it.

And in case you think this is going to be a hard look at a predatory teacher? Nope. The movie bills itself as romance. A tale of “forbidden love.” Complete with sex scenes between a grown adult woman and a student the script explicitly identifies as a child. His own mother calls him that on screen. She’s the lone character sounding alarms, yet even she never calls the cops.

What’s worse is how the movie spins the teacher. She’s not written as a manipulative abuser—she’s painted as a tragic victim of fate, a woman who “just can’t deny her feelings.” But everything she does is textbook predator behavior. She initiates the flirtation. She arranges secret after-school sessions. She isolates him from peers. That’s not chemistry. That’s grooming.

Then comes one of the most revolting narrative choices: she’s raped by another teacher, a jealous colleague. But instead of being treated with the horror it deserves, the assault is basically used to reposition her as the damsel so her student can rush in as a white knight. She’s still framed as sympathetic, while the student’s abuse is reframed as noble love.

And here’s the kicker: lead actress Alana de Freitas didn’t just star as the teacher. She wrote the screenplay. Which makes the whole thing reads like wish fulfillment. The teacher is styled as an almost flawless archetype, her only “sin” being that she “follows her heart.”

The reception is equally nauseating. It sits at 5.8 on IMDb—above average. Read the reviews and you’ll see people praising it as “taboo romance” or “forbidden fruit.” Some even root for the characters to stay together.

Festivals went further. LA Femme International Film Festival nominated it for Best Feature Film. Boston International and Focus International both did likewise. Why on earth are professional festivals handing trophies to what amounts to pedophile propaganda?

Let’s be honest. If the genders were reversed, there would have been outrage. The movie would’ve been buried. Instead, Before the Dawn got distribution through Indie Rights, found its way onto Apple TV, Roku, and Pluto TV, and even snagged a write-up in American Cinematographer—where the DP proudly talks about building rain rigs out of Hudson sprayers and bouncing light off a king-sized bedsheet. Microbudget quirks shouldn’t eclipse the fact that what they were lighting was a sex scene between a teacher and her student.

This gets to the bigger problem: society’s double standard when it comes to female sexual predators. When the abuser is an attractive blonde, too many people celebrate it. “Boys should be grateful,” they say. Grateful that someone with authority over them coerces them into sex? Call it what it is: rape.

And this isn’t some obscure edge case. Google “female teacher charged with sexual assault” and you’ll see fresh arrests almost every week. Women abusing boys. Women abusing girls. These are predators with direct access to children, and somehow movies like Before the Dawn end up celebrating them.

Some defenders try to split hairs, calling this ephebophilia instead of pedophilia. But ephebophilia isn’t even a recognized clinical diagnosis. The law is crystal clear: anyone under the age of consent is a child. Which makes this predatory behavior. Full stop.

Normally, I’d link to streaming platforms so you can judge a film for yourself. Not this time. Before the Dawn disgusts me too much. It’s out there on major corporate platforms, which in itself is damning—they’ll happily profit off a film that romanticizes teacher-student rape, as long as the predator is a pretty woman.

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    I recall seeing the description on Apple TV and thinking WTF?

    It’s also worth noting that there’s no Wikipedia page for this, which is at the very least odd in a world where pages exist for movies that haven’t even been released yet.

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    When the abuser is an attractive blonde, too many people celebrate it. “Boys should be grateful,” they say.

    Yeah, unfortunately I’ve even seen my father say something of that sort. An underage student (male) reported a teacher (female) for raping him. My father noted how stupid he was, and that he should have just been happy and consider himself lucky.
    Unfortunately I felt like I had no right to respond to that as I was the same age as that student at the time.

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    Amazing, the apologia continues in the comments here in a few forms. This movie really catalyzes the heart of the issue, which you pointed out. The double standard around female pedophiles needs to END.

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    Boy is raped by adult woman, the media: teacher had sex with student and gets a $1000 fine and 2 weeks of community service!

    Girl is raped by adult man: pedophilic teacher rapes young girl, get 30 years in prison.

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    I thought you were talking about After the Dark (2013) until I saw the picture. Man that movie also has creepy pedophilic undertones and is a very bad movie if anyone wants to hear my rage over it.

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    Fucking poster creepy as fuck too. Looks like some Christian propaganda to make marrying children okay.

    How the hell is this on any mainstream platform. I’m not shocked though Hollywood is full of pedophiles and those that exploit youth. There is also Loving Annabelle that also has great ratings

    Look at that poster and the ratings. This was a movie about a teacher that is seduced by her student. Spoiler at least the teacher gets arrested in the end.

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    Hey OP there’s this amazing movie called Licorice Pizza from visionary director/auteur Paul Thomas Anderson which you should check out. It’s a 70s period piece drama-comedy about young people struggling to hit personal development milestones - or trying to hit them way too early!

    It’s a tasteful look at an odd couple relationship that doesn’t shy away from asking hard questions or being morally ambiguous. Something about it reminded me of the Coen brothers film A Serious Man specifically but it had a similar sense of humour to all their movies. Easily one of the best films of the 2020s for me. As an easter egg for PTA fans it is wild to see Philip Seymoure Hoffman’s son take a leading role when they look so similar and his father featured so heavily in the other PTA movies.

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    Some defenders try to split hairs, calling this ephebophilia instead of pedophilia. But ephebophilia isn’t even a recognized clinical diagnosis.

    Using language correctly is important when trying to convey a message without it being misunderstood, which is why it’s necessary to specify the difference between paedophilia (prepubescent), hebephilia (early stage adolescent), and ephebophilia (mid-late stage adolescent), and medical guidelines differ among states and countries. There is a clinical differentiation in my country.
    Regardless, others prefer the term Minor Attracted Person/s or MAP. This at least solves any quandary regarding terminology.

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      Using language correctly is important when trying to convey a message without it being misunderstood, which is why it’s necessary to specify the difference

      If used correctly, it is rather useful to point out that not all child rapists are necessarily pedophiles, meaning there’s some other risk-factors. This could be useful for example during testing for high-risk positions like teachers, if those are being done.

      The best way to go in my opinion is terms like “child predator” and “child rapist”, similarly to how you wouldn’t call rapist of an adult a “teleiophile”, a term for people attracted to adults. 100% accurate.

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        Okay. Let’s walk you through this.

        What’s your definition of pedophile/pedophilia?

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          I’m not going to listen to a pedophile try and “walk you through this” and get me to start using the term “MAPs”. The only people encouraging the use of that term are pedophiles and apoligists so which are you?

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            I’m not going to listen to a pedophile try and “walk you through this”

            Then don’t. I’m not a pedo I just don’t falsely equate a mental illness to child rape.

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              If someone has murderous fantasies, with the constant urge to murder—and has obsessive ideations thereof—we don’t tolerate it. We recognize it for what it is: a serious danger to the safety of others.

              No amount of euphemisms, rebranding, or “destigmatization” talk changes the fact that these thoughts, when nurtured and indulged, put people at risk.

              Same is true with pedophilia. The line is clear: it requires intervention, treatment, and strict boundaries. Not indulgence, not romanticization, and certainly not online communities that frame it as an “identity.”

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                If someone has murderous fantasies, with the constant urge to murder—and has obsessive ideations thereof—we don’t tolerate it.

                That’s not true actually. Society has to know about it first. Edit: additionally, having a thought of wanting to kill someone is different than obsessive ideations. Same thing with pedophilia (or really any sexual attraction) being attracted to something doesn’t mean you wanna rape it.

                pedophilia requires…

                I agree. It’s a mental illness.

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                  Once again: when someone says, “I have a craving to shoot up a school,” the right thing to do is contact the police to prevent a mass murder from occurring.

                  And when someone says, “I have an urge to have sex with a minor,” you likewise do the same thing.

                  It is better to prevent a crime than to wait for one to happen.

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          Tell me yours. Anything other than “a sexual predator of people below the age of consent” gets you banned.

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            “Someone who is attracted to the prepubescent human body and/or minors in general”

            You should really read up on studies of how many child predators are pedophiles (or the other two). If I remember correctly its around 1/5 to 2/5ths. Most of the time predators target children because its vulnerable.

            BTW treating Pedos and child predators as a 1:1 relationship gives child predators a way to rationalize their behavor. Generally the logic follows “I’m not a pedo” -> “I’m not a child predator” because “I just like [this one child]”

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              It doesn’t matter if they’re pre-pubescent or otherwise. What matters is that all minors cannot legally consent.

              Ergo, anyone who acts upon this attraction is a sexual predator. Specifically, a pedophile.

              And just to be clear, this is not up for debate.

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      I don’t give a damn about how pedophiles prefer to be addressed.

      Also, we don’t welcome pedophile apologists in this community so you’re banned.

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      Since the topic of the movie seems to be the acceptability of someone actually abusing a minor, doesn’t seem like it should really matter the specifics of their pathology or internal feelings. The word ‘molester’ would be a more relevant catch-all term here.

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    This gets to the bigger problem: society’s double standard when it comes to female sexual predators.

    Careful. You’re stepping into Men’s Rights territory here.

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      On the contrary, feminists are more likely to point out the double standard exists. And that double standard exists due to patriarchy.

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      I don’t think so. In a patriarchal society, where women are expected to be weak, soft, emotional etc. and men are painted as always horny, it‘s „logical“ (inside the toxic, patriarchal view of the world) that men can’t be raped by women. If a woman initiated sex with a man, and the act happens, it’s because the man wanted it. Otherwise he could’ve easily fought the woman of.

      Boys that are raped by older women are (were?) expected to be grateful, that a woman taught them about „love“.

      IMHO it’s not a „Meninist“ point of view to talk about these problems, because they are a consequence of toxic masculinity in patriarchal societies.

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    I’m sure there are also other reasons for it being terrible, because Leon the Professional and to a lesser extent The 5th Element are also pedophilic in nature and they’re ok films.

    I’m not gonna watch it but I assume it’s just awful due to lack of any actual plot and instead the movie equivalent to a pro-pedo seminar.

    EDIT: This comment went from 3:2 to 4:4 to 4:13, very organic behavior I’m sure we’ll all agree.

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      Hold up, how is The 5th Element in there? I don’t remember any children in the movie.

      Also, Leon, while suggestive with a minor, doesnt really contain or encourage pedophilia like it sounds like the OPs movie did.

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        Ehhh I definitely see 5th Element as being fairly fucking creepy… Leloo (sp?)'s … whole thing is that she basically has an insane case of coma induced amnesia, and in many ways is… mentally, a child, for much of the film.

        So… yeah, its kind of the inverse of the 383 year old witch girl that just happens to be in a 14 yo’s body trope thing.

        This is an … on the threshold of adulthood/legally consentable person’s body… that is inhabited by someone who is extremely scared, confused, traumatized, has no idea wtf is going on, doesn’t even intially speak the language of those around her… due to… ostensibly being a person who has been… either dead and then regrown, or in a coma for … thousands of years… or something like that… by the logic of the movie.

        (I am just now realizing that the 5th Element is an Isekai from Leloo’s pov)

        I know the whole core of the movie at the end is love, but its still fucking weird, frankly regardless of the physical age gap, to be sexualizing someone who is not of a normal adult’s mental capacity.

        Now, Leon?

        NatPort’s character, uh, Mathilda, … very much does develop a uh… uncomfortable level of attraction to Leon.

        But as best as I remember… Leon is basically terrified of and disgusted by this, acting much more like a protective and nurturing surrogate father than a uh … ‘daddy’.

        He consistently refuses her more uh, risque behaviors and advances.

        She, on the other hand, is a traumatized orphan from a family that is … fairly strongly implied to have exposed her to a lot of sexualized behaviors … before they were all killed, in front of her…

        I think that Mathilda acting the way she does toward Leon is psychologically plausible, though it is uncomfortable to actually see… but what we see from Leon is… arguably, a pretty responsible and non exploitative way of handling this… given the somewhat insane overall scenario/premise of the movie.

        Frankly, having grown up in a white trash neighborhood… I actually knew girls, my age, growing up, who acted a lot like Mathilda, barely into middle school and constantly making highly explicit sexual references… and offers… at the bus stop…

        And without going into too much detail, the father in that family ended up going to prison…for repeatedly SA’ing his older daughter… that whole situation had been going on in secret for years…

        … and it finally blew up when he tried to start doing this to his younger daughter as well, and the older daughter and mother ended up getting into a brawl with the father.

        Yeah. Not… great, very not good.

        But, sadly, a quite young girl acting highly sexually provocative… yeah, that does happen… when that kind of behavior has been traumatically normalized for them.

        For what its worth, last time I talked to that girl, a woman by that time, she had found a partner her age, they had been together for some years she was very much in love, they were planning to marry, and moved faaaaar away, so I hope things worked out for them, they seemed like they could.

        To the best of my knowledge the dad is uh, still in prison, probably gonna be there for quite a while longer.

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        Bruce Willis was 42 and Leeloo’s canonical physical age is about 19 with her bright dyed short hair, although at least the actress Mila Jovovich was 21 when the film premiered.

        Also same director I think?

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            Full on lemming behavior. There are a subset of people in the fediverse that believe relationships with anyone beyond a certain age gap is also pedophilia. It could be a 35yr old man, with a 22yr old woman, and they’ll label it pedophilia. It’s just infantalizing behavior from people who don’t believe women are capable of making their own decisions even after they’ve hit adulthood.

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            I get the feeling that if the age of consent were 21 then Leeloo would be 22 and if it were 15 then Leeloo would be 16. The point is she was young and Willis was more than twice her age, and that director has a pattern.

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            It’s still creepy to have girls at the cusp of consent dating men more than twice their age.

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              I understand what you’re saying, however based on the context of this post that character was beyond the age of consent. “Creepy” or not, they have the mental wherewithal to decide if they want to be in a relationship post turning 18.

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                Are you assuming I want to restrict Leeloo’s rights? I’m just calling Willis’ taxicab character a fucking creep.

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      Leon clearly has controversial themes, but I don’t see any explicit pedophilia. Yes, some scenes (I am refering to the international version) push boundaries somewhat, but Leon explicitly rejects her advances and is almost pressured by Mathilda to let her take part in the assassinations.

      Never thought about The 5th Element as pedophilic in any way, but I guess I can see some vague movements in that direction.

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      I see a lot of “age of consent” comments replying here, but I think you’re right.

      If you’re argument here is age of consent, then you must also believe that there was nothing wrong with Jerry Seinfeld dating a highschooler who legally met that age. The issues isn’t consent, it’s that men who date significantly younger women are usually interested more in someone they can control than an equitable relationship.

      I’m not saying younger women never have agency in relationships with older men, but truly equitable ones are the exception, not the norm.

      I probably wouldn’t believe this if I didn’t listen to the Lolita Podcast by Jamie Loftus. This is a whole podcast series, but everyone should listen to it to better understand how old men often prey on younger women to abuse a less resilient partner.

      https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-lolita-podcast-73899842/