The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.

The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.

The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.

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      Honestly, even just being allowed to sink or swim on their own would have prevented this. They’ve grown brutal and callous because the US has shielded them from any consequences of that.

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        20 years of being attacked by Hamas did that. Before Israel became anyone’s ally, they won multiple wars against multiple Islamic nations at the same time. Every single one of those wars would have ended in a second Holocaust if the Muslims had won.

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          I kind of doubt that. It wouldn’t have been great, though, and I doubt they’d be above pushing everyone back into the diaspora.

          It also was guys like Nasser being dumb, not Israel being blessed by god or whatever your pet theory is.

          Edit: If what you’re saying is that Israel could defend itself, you’re right. It’d just have to respect the other nations around and in it, the way they actually did sometimes in the earlier days.

          20 years of being attacked by Hamas did that.

          Uh-huh. And Israel was being super nice and reasonable to Palestine this whole time, right?

          “History begins the last time the other feuding party did something”

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            Every nation that invaded Israel did so with the express intent to wipe out the Jews. There’s no other reason for them to invade land that wasn’t theirs to begin with, EXCEPT to exterminate the Jews who had moved in.

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          Oh, just 20 years?? Try since ethnic cleansing since 1948

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                It was not, but thanks for playing. The Israelis lacked the weapons and manpower to genocide anyone and were surrounded on all sides by Islamic theocracies that would love nothing more than to genocide the largest group of Jews the world had seen since the Romans expelled them from their land.

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          And look at the death numbers. Maybe just maybe uf Israel wasn’t killing Palestinians they wouldn’t grow up hating Israel. I know its hard but it’s in their book I think an eye for an eye.

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            I imagine a lot of the world hates israel now. Not just Palestinians. Israelis thrive on that, so they can have a nice strong victim complex for the next thousand years.

            “Why oh why does everyone hate us!! Its because they are racist antisemites! bohooohoo”

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              Hatred of Jews goes back centuries. It’s almost a worldwide pastime at this point. The difference is a lot of the antisemites have had to stop being openly hateful towards Jews because of shifting social norms, so they latch onto Israel as a way to vent their hatred in a politically correct manner.

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                I didnt say jews, I said israelis. Careful with this. Antisemitism gets you banned on lemmy.

                Although for whatever reason, anti arab sentiment or support for war crimes doesnt. Huge double standard.

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                  If Israel was run by Muslims, no one would care if they were turning Gaza into a heap of rubble. Just look at how concerned they are about the Druze.

                  crickets

                  Exactly.

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                    Sadly true, but its different this time because the west is funding and supporting it-- and keeping middle eastern and arab nations in check too.

                    just read some of your comment history, dagwood. This is you huh. Well time for the old block user button. I dont have time for holocaust deniers.

                    Dagwood_Sanwich to World News • Most Israelis not bothered by reports of suffering and famine in Gaza, new poll shows English

                    There is no occupation. Israel is a sovereign nation that won its right to exist in several defensive wars.

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            The death numbers tell a tale of a people who attacked a foe that they had absolutely no chance of beating.

            Hamas thought that they could kill Jews, take hostages, then hide behind civilians and cry to the world to stop Israel from retaliating. Israel usually does, but this time, Israel has decided that playing nice with Hamas only gets people killed.

            They celebrated as Hamas paraded around corpses and hostages. That celebratory cheer became wails of despair when Israel decided that enough was enough.

            Much like a violent teen punk who loves to punch people he thinks won’t fight back on camera, then acts tough, their tune changed real fast when the guy Hamas sucker punched decided to punch back and kept punching.

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            If Palestinians weren’t constantly attacking Israel, there wouldn’t be an issue. Plenty of Palestinians lived and live in Israel peacefully. You can’t say the opposite.

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          The second holocaust is happening right now and it’s all thanks to the terrorists who founded israel, violently removing Palestinians from their homes, and setting the blueprint for the entire existence of the cancer known as israel. Palestine is only the beginning in the israelis’ campaign of lebensraum, they have a whole plan of “greater israel” that they’re looking forward to implementing.

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          imagine being in school and theres a boy thats mean to you, we can call him billy Palestine.

          one day Billy Palestine pushes past you at recess and tou fall over and scrape your knee. Billy Palestine probably shouldnt have done that. It was mean.

          But you dont push Billy back, no. The nect day at recess you chop his dick and balls off with a rusty mest cleaver and stuff them in his fucking mouth and assrape the shit out of him in fill view of the school before finally cutting off his head and leaving him right there on the playground.

          Imagine defending this.

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            Imagine being in school and a little shitstain named Billy Hamas Palestine keeps throwing rocks at your family. Big rocks. Occasionally, those rocks hit you or a relative and your cousin has already suffered brain damage from it.

            You tell the teacher and the teacher tells you to back off and leave Billy Hamas Palestine alone and blames you for his aggression.

            After several years of this shitstain throwing rocks at you and your family, you throw a rock back. You land in the principal’s office with him asking why you hate Billy Hamas Palestine.

            One day he pulls out a slingshot and kills several of your siblings, your dog, and then celebrates. You snap and grab your own slingshot and pelt him in a hail of rocks because you are FUCKING SICK OF HIM ALWAYS ATTACKING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. Then the teachers and principal all come rushing out, telling you to stop because you’ll hurt him. They don’t CARE that he’s already killed your dog and siblings.

            Eventually you have to say, “To hell with it. I’m taking you down so you won’t be ABLE to harm my family anymore. I’m sick of the teachers and principal enabling your behavior!”

            This is where Israel is now. The only way Israel finds peace and avoids being genocided is to make sure those who have declared Israel to be their enemy isn’t capable to launching attacks. The majority of Palestinians supported Hamas and the October 7th attack. They’ve made their bed. Now they can sleep in it.

            Israel has made many concessions for peace, even doing so far as giving up land they took in defensive war and every time they did, Hamas, Hebollah,etc declare it a victory and ramp up their attacks.

            If Israel wants to take Gaza over entirely, good on em. At least then they can keep Hamas from coming back.

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      Don’t mistake government-controlled or government-aligned media propaganda with the actual civilian populace.

      Would you trust Netanyahu’s allies to put out fair, representative journalism about what is important to the general population?

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      Russia said the same exact thing about Ukraine… maybe this is not a wise option in general.

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          Russia accused them of a genocide in Donbass.

          The point is that trying to rebuild countries is usually a very bad idea, especially by force. Germany and Japan after WWII are very rare examples in history.

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            Yet showed no evidence. We have thousands of hours of footage for evidence against israel. Stupid comparison.

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              Lemmy users are against violence and imperialism, except when it aligns with their ideology, and then they become the most bloodthirsty bunch. No morals, no principles, no values. You can’t stomp out extremism with violence. The US tried to do it with Iraq and failed, Russia tried to do with Chechnya and failed, India tried to do it with Pakistan and failed, hell, Israel itself is trying to do that with Hamas and failing. Could it be that you can’t get rid of extremism with tanks and missiles? Could it be that you can’t fight abstract concepts like ideologies physically? The answer is obviously, no, you can’t as history clearly shows.

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            Congratulations to israel for making the very rare examples list then.

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              What the brainless users here are suggesting is going to turn Israel into Afghanistan or Iraq, not into Japan or Germany. It’s been proven that country building just leads countries to become more extreme, and that shouldn’t be the goal.

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                Why would any of us care about any positive future for the israeli state? read the room, bud.