Lol, no, “the movement” is frowned upon by some because they want to finish up their genocide in peace.
America will soon be the only country in the security council not to recognize Palestine. This is America’s genocide, not only Israel’s. So of course some folks in America will be a bit touchy about people criticizing it.
Some red paint on a building is pretty mild compared to, I don’t know, genocide? Whoever is more upset by this than by every single truck refused entry to or bomb dropped in Gaza needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
You can pretend NYT has no influence on popular opinion and therefore politics, and ignore their misrepresentation of the genocide if you wish, but that doesn’t cause your argument to magically become valid.
Not a bot, thanks tho. I DO think Israel is committing genocide by the way, but that’s a loaded term that not everyone agrees with, and anyways it only covers part of the conflict as a whole, which also includes an awful lot of Israeli civillians being killed. Sorry if that’s too much nuance for you guys.
The wrong of genocide far outweighs the “wrong” of some minor vandalism. It’s justified when peaceful protests already happened and it still continues.
Frankly it’s sick that you put these 2 things next to each other as if they are equal.
Absolute morality is not common sense, it’s fucking stupid.
You can use the same logic by far right racists back in MLK day:
“Thanks to your enlightened and superior views on political activism you’ve surely achieved enlightened and superior results to Jesus, right MLK?”
And that argument is just as retarded back in that day.
Lastly, talking about ‘weird’. I find it odd that you put words in my mouth. Never have I stated that I defend said genocide, nor do I attack them? I simply state a fairly common opinion: dont destroy things.
I don’t think that comparison is in good faith. That being said Jesus and MLK DID achieve results, which proves their views on activism are both effective.
You argue your views on activism are valid, and even superior to MLK’s views and yet you have nothing to show for it. Your unqualified armchair quarterback opinions aren’t worth the storage space they use up.
The activists are fighting for something they believe in, they’re doing it in a way that’s effective enough that you’re here commenting about it. I’m not going to sit here and criticize their efforts while doing nothing. That’s just supporting the status quo which, in case you haven’t noticed, is genocide.
Let’s cut to the chase. Comparing vandalism to the activism of MLK and Jesus is a false equivalence. Their activism was rooted in peaceful protest, not destruction. You claim vandalism works, so show me the results. How has breaking stuff actually helped the cause?
And let’s talk about your accusation that I’m supporting genocide. That’s a serious claim. I haven’t said anything close to that. Criticizing methods isn’t the same as opposing the movement. I simply believe, nay, KNOW that smashing windows isn’t the way to win hearts and minds. Just look at Just Stop Oil in the UK. Everybody fucking hates them.
You call me an ‘armchair quarterback’, but where’s your playbook? What are your strategies beyond just causing chaos? If we’re talking about effective activism, let’s see some constructive actions. Vandalism might make noise, but does it make change? I doubt it.
Let’s hear your constructive ideas for change instead of defending destruction. What’s your plan beyond breaking things? Because whining like a child might’ve worked when you were young. But we’re adults now.
if this is delusion then I don’t wanna be sane. if opposing genocide means I’m insane then I don’t wanna live in your reality.
may your blood-soaked hands eternally haunt you as you wake up from your nightmares every day and you can’t tell the difference between dream and your “civilized” reality
This isn’t apeshit… Apeshit is wanton destruction. This is a calculated protest using red paint and thought-out messaging.
Also, why do we care about defacing a building when the same action has meaningfully called attention to complicit US media? NYC is cleanable; dead children in Gaza are non-recoverable.
The pearl-clutching over some relatively minor vandalism in response to the mass murder of tens of thousands of civilians is really out of touch.
Since people seem so fucking concerned about property damage, maybe we need to start discussing the “vandalism” of all the homes and other buildings in Gaza. Actually, I’m not even sure I would be comfortable doing that ironically as it would feel very disrespectful to the human victims.
Lmay maybe we can sing them a song and send flowers /s
BDS exists for a decade and they’re murdering people harder than ever. Honestly, recommending useless solution to a genocide is being complicit at this point
My suggestion since early 2024 has been to birthstrike: no more births in the U.S. and other complicit western nations until the children of Gaza are safe and Israel has been held accountable for their heinous acts.
This is especially relevant because younger people are the ones who are: most angry about this, the most politically disenfranchised, most applicable to a birthstrike due to biology.
People shit on me and my 100% legal, non-violent / non-destructive recommendation. To the point where I’ve had posts and comments removed and even faced bans. So I’ve simply stopped recommending it.
Eugenics is something that is imposed, not self-selected.
I don’t generally see the “quiverfull” people, or governments all over the world encouraging their people to have more kids (including financial incentives), getting labeled as eugenics.
imposed vs self-selected is a false dichotomy. if you ask a random tradwife whether she chose her lifestyle she’ll emphatically reply yes. had she not been raised in a patriarchal cult, most likely not.
you’re not following the right people if you don’t see it. creating a white ethno state by turning women into incubators is textbook eugenics. so is antinatalism because it promotes toxic individualism and blames societal problems on individual choices.
I can’t imagine seeing people protesting genocide and calling it a “movement.”
WWII certainly had big “movement” energy in that case, but it was mostly millions of troops moving on a nation that was also committing genocide, it was just bigger and more aggressive at that point
Actually the reason is government repression and concerted media efforts. People have been protesting peacefully for decades to demand human and international rights to be upheld for the Palestinian people. People have been seeking nonviolent means such as boycott and divestment, only to be met with campaigns accusing that of being “antisemitic”.
Actual delusional vandalism. The sole reason this movement is frowned upon so much
Lol, no, “the movement” is frowned upon by some because they want to finish up their genocide in peace.
America will soon be the only country in the security council not to recognize Palestine. This is America’s genocide, not only Israel’s. So of course some folks in America will be a bit touchy about people criticizing it.
Some red paint on a building is pretty mild compared to, I don’t know, genocide? Whoever is more upset by this than by every single truck refused entry to or bomb dropped in Gaza needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
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You can pretend NYT has no influence on popular opinion and therefore politics, and ignore their misrepresentation of the genocide if you wish, but that doesn’t cause your argument to magically become valid.
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You are white washing NYT white washing the genocide
Cute
I like how this bot or user call it a conflict.
Not a bot, thanks tho. I DO think Israel is committing genocide by the way, but that’s a loaded term that not everyone agrees with, and anyways it only covers part of the conflict as a whole, which also includes an awful lot of Israeli civillians being killed. Sorry if that’s too much nuance for you guys.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165443
Yeah NOW is the time to be nuanced and precautions /s
Israeli colonists are not civilians, they are a vital part of IDF operations.
Saying this genocide is a matter of prespective is like denying the holocust
“oh no those poor buildings” okay but you think child murder is fine lmao
Not just the children, but the women and men, too
But mostly children though. Can’t have them grow up to be terrorists!
And shooting kids jn the head on purpose… my breath hitches every time the thought crosses my mind.
Never said that, never implied that. Simply stating that two wrongs dont make it right.
Should be common sense
The wrong of genocide far outweighs the “wrong” of some minor vandalism. It’s justified when peaceful protests already happened and it still continues.
Frankly it’s sick that you put these 2 things next to each other as if they are equal.
Absolute morality is not common sense, it’s fucking stupid.
You should do some reading. Start here.
https://letterfromjail.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail
I disagree with him?
Lmao. MLK isn’t a Messiah. He also got things wrong. Such as this.
Edit: I thought MLK advocated for vandalism given this context. I was wrong. He did not, actually. Which only proves why vandalism isnt activism
Ah yes. Thanks to your enlightened and superior views on political activism you’ve surely achieved enlightened and superior results to MLK…
No? Just defending genocide and attacking those who oppose it?
Weird…
You can use the same logic by far right racists back in MLK day:
“Thanks to your enlightened and superior views on political activism you’ve surely achieved enlightened and superior results to Jesus, right MLK?”
And that argument is just as retarded back in that day.
Lastly, talking about ‘weird’. I find it odd that you put words in my mouth. Never have I stated that I defend said genocide, nor do I attack them? I simply state a fairly common opinion: dont destroy things.
Is this you?
I don’t think that comparison is in good faith. That being said Jesus and MLK DID achieve results, which proves their views on activism are both effective.
You argue your views on activism are valid, and even superior to MLK’s views and yet you have nothing to show for it. Your unqualified armchair quarterback opinions aren’t worth the storage space they use up.
The activists are fighting for something they believe in, they’re doing it in a way that’s effective enough that you’re here commenting about it. I’m not going to sit here and criticize their efforts while doing nothing. That’s just supporting the status quo which, in case you haven’t noticed, is genocide.
Let’s cut to the chase. Comparing vandalism to the activism of MLK and Jesus is a false equivalence. Their activism was rooted in peaceful protest, not destruction. You claim vandalism works, so show me the results. How has breaking stuff actually helped the cause?
And let’s talk about your accusation that I’m supporting genocide. That’s a serious claim. I haven’t said anything close to that. Criticizing methods isn’t the same as opposing the movement. I simply believe, nay, KNOW that smashing windows isn’t the way to win hearts and minds. Just look at Just Stop Oil in the UK. Everybody fucking hates them.
You call me an ‘armchair quarterback’, but where’s your playbook? What are your strategies beyond just causing chaos? If we’re talking about effective activism, let’s see some constructive actions. Vandalism might make noise, but does it make change? I doubt it.
Let’s hear your constructive ideas for change instead of defending destruction. What’s your plan beyond breaking things? Because whining like a child might’ve worked when you were young. But we’re adults now.
Christ I despise radicals
Hmmmm…no. Not very wise.
A small price that nyp must pay for being a voice for genocide. Nobody was hurt
No this is called a real protest. Protests that are quiet and don’t bother anyone happen every day - and are ignored every day.
Here we are, talking about this one, like the rest of the nation.
if this is delusion then I don’t wanna be sane. if opposing genocide means I’m insane then I don’t wanna live in your reality.
may your blood-soaked hands eternally haunt you as you wake up from your nightmares every day and you can’t tell the difference between dream and your “civilized” reality
Opposing genocide you can rightly do, I share that sentiment.
And never have I defended the genocide in Gaza.
Christ.
Is it really. REALLY that difficult to think: “Oh, genocide is bad. But we also shouldn’t use vandalism”
Why?
WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE PROPERTY
Well then what the fuck should we use? Violence?
Your voices? Your money? Your attention?
Please consider those before you start going apeshit, thanks.
This isn’t apeshit… Apeshit is wanton destruction. This is a calculated protest using red paint and thought-out messaging.
Also, why do we care about defacing a building when the same action has meaningfully called attention to complicit US media? NYC is cleanable; dead children in Gaza are non-recoverable.
The pearl-clutching over some relatively minor vandalism in response to the mass murder of tens of thousands of civilians is really out of touch.
Since people seem so fucking concerned about property damage, maybe we need to start discussing the “vandalism” of all the homes and other buildings in Gaza. Actually, I’m not even sure I would be comfortable doing that ironically as it would feel very disrespectful to the human victims.
i think all the anti-vandalism advocates should personally pay reparations to Palestinians so they can rebuild everything the Israelis vandalized
We’ve been doing that for literally a generation now.
Lmay maybe we can sing them a song and send flowers /s
BDS exists for a decade and they’re murdering people harder than ever. Honestly, recommending useless solution to a genocide is being complicit at this point
My suggestion since early 2024 has been to birthstrike: no more births in the U.S. and other complicit western nations until the children of Gaza are safe and Israel has been held accountable for their heinous acts.
This is especially relevant because younger people are the ones who are: most angry about this, the most politically disenfranchised, most applicable to a birthstrike due to biology.
People shit on me and my 100% legal, non-violent / non-destructive recommendation. To the point where I’ve had posts and comments removed and even faced bans. So I’ve simply stopped recommending it.
that would easily devolve into eugenics. that’s most likely why people weren’t comfortable with it
Eugenics is something that is imposed, not self-selected.
I don’t generally see the “quiverfull” people, or governments all over the world encouraging their people to have more kids (including financial incentives), getting labeled as eugenics.
imposed vs self-selected is a false dichotomy. if you ask a random tradwife whether she chose her lifestyle she’ll emphatically reply yes. had she not been raised in a patriarchal cult, most likely not.
you’re not following the right people if you don’t see it. creating a white ethno state by turning women into incubators is textbook eugenics. so is antinatalism because it promotes toxic individualism and blames societal problems on individual choices.
says who? Israel? you’re a collaborationist spreading Zionist propaganda for free
How is it “delusional”?
I can’t imagine seeing people protesting genocide and calling it a “movement.”
WWII certainly had big “movement” energy in that case, but it was mostly millions of troops moving on a nation that was also committing genocide, it was just bigger and more aggressive at that point
there are zero troops moving on Israel
If fucking only.
Actually the reason is government repression and concerted media efforts. People have been protesting peacefully for decades to demand human and international rights to be upheld for the Palestinian people. People have been seeking nonviolent means such as boycott and divestment, only to be met with campaigns accusing that of being “antisemitic”.
You do not attack media outlets. That’s it. Don’t defend it.
Vandalism > genocide to you, huh?