If piracy is moral and ethical and enables us to share knowledge, why do private trackers gatekeep this knowledge? It goes against the principles of piracy. Do they do it just to feel superior about bring in a sekrit club?

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    1 year ago

    I would say it is more of a practical consideration. Private trackers generally enforce upload/download ratios. This ensures the health of the sharing pool stays good.

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    1 year ago

    I’ll be honest I’m not trying to preserve knowledge I just want high quality stuff for free. Private trackers weed out the low quality files and keep the system healthy by also weeding out people who just leech files without seeding anything back.

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    I think there’s lot less potential abuse, if you control your tracker and the peers. If I remember correctly, you usually have to seed till a specific ratio is reached. I doubt that any copyright-infringment-abuse-company tries to get acces to those trackers, if they have to upload stuff at first.

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    Often, ISP spy on public tracker to see if you download stuff but way less on privates one. I guess it’s just a way of staying more private.

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      1 year ago

      I would also add that in public trackers you can download your file and close your torrent client and not share it back and therefore be selfish in just getting what you want tihiut sharing back to the pirate community

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        I seed more on public than on provate tbh, why? Because there are way more leechers on public than on private or even semi private, the number of time I keep a torrent to seed and it stays at a ratio of 0 because it’s a dark things that probably get downloaded once a year… So I use some fake seed software because otherwise I’m not able to see it anyway… it’s sad and don’t make me happy, but sometime it’s the only way…

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          That’s why I have abandoned private trackers. I only use public ones with a seed ratio of 2, because I like giving back. Everything else is downloaded with Real-Debrid and jDownloader2 (mostly OCHs or sometimes torrents, when there aren’t much/any seeders and the speed is unacceptably slow).

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          1 year ago

          Most trackers have minimum time after which you can stop seeding, and reseed request system where you are notified if anyone wants a dead torrent to be reseeded.

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    If piracy is moral and ethical and enables us to share knowledge, why do private trackers gatekeep this knowledge?

    Because thats not how most people see it. It’s just a way to watch movies (or download stuff) for free. Private trackers ensure a higher quality experience

    Piracy isn’t some high philosophical debate, it’s seeing something you want and making a copy of it.

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    I recently joined TL as my first tracker and I must say, the quality and seeders are really good. Since they enforce seeding ratios/times and incentivise it, it becomes a self sustaining system.

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    I do believe that piracy is moral and ethical and sharing knowledge is what helps humanity thrive. However, due to copyright law, the sharing of knowledge is criminalized. Private trackers serve as a way for people to share knowledge with less of a risk of bad actors (commonly known as copyright trolls) interfering. Private trackers very much are a “secret club”, but that is why they are able to stay open for long periods of time without legal action. For me, whenever I download something from a private tracker I am also sure to share it publicly on other P2P networks, as to not gatekeep.

  • SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I get love letters from my isp whenever I share torrents from public trackers. I’ve never gotten one from a private tracker so I only use private trackers now.

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    I’m not going to be as positive as the others. For every person who seeds everything there are those doing the bare minimum. But they will do the bare minimum because they’re in a good ecosphere of rarities that are seeded and don’t want to lose that benefit

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    Piracy is more about preserving knowledge than sharing knowledge, after all, torrents are not really accessible for the majority of people. There’s a tech barrier plus in most places you want a VPN. Then you need decent bandwidth and a reliable connection. Private Trackers are all about preserving media. Maintaining healthy seeds is important, especially when it comes to media that is very niche or no longer in circulation, “legally”. Sites come and go, especially public trackers. Seeders also come and go. Private trackers last a lot longer, and have more dedicated seeders. It’s difficult and time consuming to be a dedicated seeder, and it’s much more rewarding to host your files on a private tracker than a public one.

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    1 year ago

    Do they do it just to feel superior about bring in a sekrit club?>

    Yes.

    Tho it takes time to join or never to their sekrit club. They look down on people who pick low quality or uses real debrid or DDLs. They will also ban you once they confirmed you are uploading to DDL sites.