• dhork@lemmy.world
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    This is why I’m not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?

    I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.

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      What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse?

      What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote. I am no lover of Biden, but if he’s the only viable choice other than Trump, we need him in the office and I’m worried not enough people will realize that.

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        It’s the same issue Hillary had. Lots of liberals were so fucking tired of the system. They wanted something new. And Hillary was a direct personification of the system; A career politician who had paid her party dues for decades, and felt like the seat had been promised to her. There were a lot of liberals who casted protest votes.

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          I’ll admit I did that. I voted for Bernie in the Primary and then didn’t vote in the General. Although I lived in Oklahoma where Trump beat Clinton by 529k votes and hasn’t been blue in the last 50 years…

          I’d like to think I would have voted for Clinton if my vote counted for anything. If we got rid of the electoral college then I feel like the voting percentage would go up across the country as Republicans in California and Democrats in Alabama would suddenly have a reason to actually vote. I live in Alabama now and it is a STUGGLE to get any of my friends to take the time to go vote.

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          Yea I’m sorry I was one of them and therefore helped trump get in. I wanted Bernie, still want Bernie, voted Bernie in protest in ‘16 but did my part voting Biden in ‘20. But until trump is dead and republicans are unable to field someone as rallying to their base, I’m forced to vote democrat to prevent fascism overtaking my nation.

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          I hope the ones who did have learned their lesson. When the greater of two evils gets in power, greater evil is done.

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      Could just stay home. Maybe a bunch of us are tired of voting for people whose only qualifications is they aren’t the other person.

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        But that’s entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn’t taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.

        Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.

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          Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.

          There aren’t good options. There’s genocide lite and genocide delux.

          I will not vote for genocide, and if you vote for genocide you are complicit.

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              It’s a choice to not vote for genocide. You can tell yourself pretty lies, but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.

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                but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.

                Every time I hear this I have to do some math, play a word puzzle, or some other mental exercise to make sure I don’t catch The Stupid. If casting a vote for Biden equals support for genocide, then anything anyone in a civilized society does could be said to be the same. Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected. Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide supporterfunder?

                Protest votes are for the primary; go ahead and vote for Gandhi McJesus then. The general is the team play. And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.

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                  Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected

                  You can vote for people who don’t support genocide! They exist.

                  Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide supporterfunder?

                  We are all complicit in our own ways and we have a moral duty to rebel against our genocidal government. Good job, you just made an argument for revolution lol

                  And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.

                  Democrats would oppose genocide if Trump was president, which actually results in harm reduction. How do you square that circle?

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                Purposefully withholding your vote in the general election is a selfish/narcissistic act. No matter what wordplay you engage, not giving support to the lesser of two evils leads to better outcomes for the greater of them – and pain and suffering for the most vulnerable. But you get the comfort of hugging your pristine principles**

                **and La Revolución is NOT happening in time to help in any meaningful way before uncountable death and suffering – stop that BS and grow up