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    Minor inconveniences are things you potentionally have control over. Major events you most likely don’t.

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    I have two great example of this.

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    Last month, the mountainside behind our house was set on fire. The neighborhood was evacuated as the fire burned ~20 acres. The inferno came within a few hundred feet of our house, and I watched it creep closer as we stood at a park across the main road. My only thoughts were “we are OK, we have resources that we can tap into if necessary” (the burn scar can be seen from over 20 miles away).

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    Last week, my wife’s ex nearly robbed her of a literal dream-come-true because he decided to be a giant fucking manchild and throw his new marriage into the trash. Several months prior, I had spent ~$450 on non-refundable tickets (thanks ticketmaster) for two back-to-back live shows as a birthday gift to my wife, based around the fact that the kids were going to be with bio-dad during that time. But because of his antics, we had to get the kids a week early (not mad at the kids, we missed them). We scrambled to find childcare, and luckily my in-laws were able to take the kids for two nights in a row so we could hit those shows as planned. But I wanted to murder that man. I still do, but that’s beside the point.

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      Maybe remove that last sentence, in case someone else does too and wants it more than you do.

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    You have no control over big events, so you’re not offended by them. The small stuff you can control (or at least think you can), so it’s immediately offensive to your sense of personal control and importance.

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    Sometimes that little thing is the straw. You’ve had a rough few days, all kinds of twists and turns, but hey you have a relaxing weekend coming up to recharge, so you held it together, then that little thing happens and it’s like “ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck!”

    That little thing, by itself, probably wouldn’t matter that much…but on top of everything else, it’s a different story.

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    Modern society teaches you to care about all the irrelevant things, and ignore the major manufactured shifts in your life, that makes you more easily controllable. That’s how they domesticated you into working a 9 to 5, paying taxes, voting for a 2 party system, and ignoring major coverups like JFK’s assassination, the Epstein files, the Diddy trial, wars in the middle east, the fact that nuclear MAD is still literally one systemic failure away, yatta yatta yatta…

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      I bet so many of us have ADHD because the instant laser-point hyperfocus and blocking of all other stimuli helped our ancestors survive quite a few times.

      And anxiety is obviously similar. Though in that case I think it’s more that we have evolved this skill for vigilance so that we can launch into fight or flight mode at a moment’s notice, but there are not the same constant dangers to monitor. So we essentially have an instinct to expect something bad to be coming at any moment, but it is uncalibrated and without meaningful environmental inputs it basically starts amplifying noise.

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      Yep, may even be caused by certain forms of c-PTSD. I was required to develop hypervigilance as a method of survival, so everything bad/unfortunate/uncomfortable sounds the alarm, while anything good/normal/producing joy is *mostly glossed over (*extremes are still registered), as the main goal is staying alive and the latter won’t kill me.

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        I don’t think people who haven’t experienced it really can understand.

        It’s like something crazy happens.

        People without complex PTSD freak out.

        My ass is like, “oh, I was preparing for this” and then I deal with the issue.

        I’m always right on the edge of losing my goddamn mind, so that when some crazy shit actually happens, I’m like, oh, okay. Ah, yes, this is what I was preparing for. Ah, feels so good to finally let the vigilance down and just actually experience life for a second.

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          Exactly!

          And when it’s something from neutral to good, my brain goes: “Oh… ok, unexpected. Is it dangerous? Well, then don’t waste my time with it, I’m busy waiting for shit to get real.”

          (still me, btw, managed to get into this account)

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            For me if things go well, I sometimes keep on looking where the bad in it is. I keep thinking: Okay, this seems good, so what am I missing here? And if people are nice to me and I feel I can trust them, I get scared and want to flee and be by myself. The more I feel there is genuine contact, the more scary it is.

            I was diagnosed with cPTSD as well, by the way.

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              Very much so, yes! A constant state of expectancy, like a perpetual calm before a hypothetical storm, but the storm’s potential has real weight to my mind.

              And yep, same urge, to overcompensate security when things are “suspiciously” safe, just in case. It’s like ‘things being good’ in and of itself is perceived as dangerous by that entire mechanism, because it is an unknown to my mind when sufficiently intense. And it’s fucking exhausting. It’s like @bizarroland said, it feels like catching a break when things go to shit, because I know exactly how to deal with it.

              I’m really sorry you’re in this mess, too, and about all of the things which were done to you to get you in it :( … But we’re in this mess together, in a way! At least we still have people who get it, if nothing else. And, hey! Silver lining is we make for good crisis responders, we friggin’ thrive in the shit!:)))

              And, as a last note, it can be relatively easier to sort of see it for what it is and manage it, because, in most such cases, it’s an artificial mechanism born out of a concrete need and not in-built psychological specificity.

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                Yes. I always say that it seems like my mind just does not have the program to process good situations and respond. It just does not know what to do with it and starts looping and responding as if it were a bad situation but it cannot find the danger.

                Much (not all) of my trauma is due to emotional neglect and psychological abuse. Someone literally baked me a cake a week ago and now part of me never wants to see them again because it feels too dangerous. :-( It takes so much effort to go back and act like everything is okay. If someone hurts me, I do not like it, but at least I know how to deal with that. It feels less dangerous.

                I am sorry to hear you have experienced so much you are in the same boat. I wish it wasn’t the case. I am a good responder in crisis as well. I immediately get energy and feel like I know what to do! Although in some cases I tend to underrespond.

                A couple of years ago I saw some people fighting in the street. It was a typical situation where people seemed to be feeling the bystander effect and did nothing. So, I thought I should probably do something and I went calmly to the police station nearby to get them. Looking back and discussing with others that were there, in hindsight, this was a situation to run and get the police, not walk calmly. But I just thought it wasn’t that big of a deal. At least I did something.

                Another time the fire alarm went of at my work. I started to search the building for people that needed help to get outside or did not hear the alarm instead of going outside myself. This was not my job. We had dedicated people for that. I should have just gone outside, but my automatic behaviour was starting to try and save people. It was a false alarm, by the way, but apparently it still triggered some kind of trauma response or something. My boss was angry with me as they could not account for me outside of the building.

                I think you are right. I was ‘trained’ to always put others first even if it harms me. So that is what I do when the alarm goes off.

                Have you found stuff that works? I write a lot of letters to express what I cannot say. This helps a bit. Also, some forms of massage help me. People touching me also triggers me, but I have found a message therapist that I somewhat got used to now. EMDR only worked for some of the more recent trauma’s, not for the more structural earlier ones. I recently started doing somatic experiencing as well, not sure yet whether that helps. I still have a long way to go before I start functioning normal again. (I did for a long time until suddenly I did not a couple of years ago.)

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                  Well, the bad and good news is that it’s pretty much exactly that - we lack the protocol for dealing with good stuff. That’s bad news because it took us at least 25-26 years to “train” ourselves to the world, a large chunk of which was crisis response mode, and it’s much easier to pick up a new habit (or thought pattern) when younger and more malleable. The good news is, it can still be done, although it takes more work…

                  Oh, we have those in common, then!:)) I also have a hefty dose of physical abuse in the form of slaps from a big army guy, leather belts, and hefty wooden shovel handles. And I must say, the psychological and emotional parts are way more impactful in the day-to-day… The physical bit at least showed me that I can take one helluva beating, so that’s the shittiest way to gain some confidence, although, same, don’t do well with random touching. My whole body flinches away reflexively when I accidentally touch anything, from people to objects. Plus that confidence is but a drop in a busted bucket, because the emotional stuff left me with a 7-year depression after I nearly married my grandmother…

                  As for your crisis responses, yeah, I’d say the main problem is that you forget that you gotta protect yourself as well. The delayed action may, honestly, stem from the fact that your mind is just that good at gauging the variables, evaluating the danger, that it also knows instinctively just how much time it has to act before shit gets really real, y’know? Found this out during my brief stint in management, estimations and identifying potential risks and their impact on the timeline were on point way more frequently than they weren’t. At worst, I undersold and overdelivered.

                  And now to what helped me. I have no idea if any of these will do anything for you - I very much hope they will and am preemptively sorry if not:

                  • The main thing which helped me reprogram myself was looking for the hidden benefit in every single element - what skills have I developed to be an ace undercover fireman. Writing these out really did help, as did writing it as a sort of character study on a clone of myself. This last part especially, because it was impossible for me to give myself credit for anything when starting out, as everything was “bare minimum” at best from the standards imposed by my family. I also think it’d work regardless of who embodies your traits, all that matters is to keep (as) objectively (as possible) true to who you know yourself to be, then evaluate who you see as you would any other human being around you.

                  • That imposed standards bit. It was VERY important for me to see exactly what was expected of me - again, list form helped immensely, because that represented most of my standards. And the shitty part is, they’re actually not Mine, they were crammed into my head without my consent and I was gaslit into believing they’re the only valid ones.

                  • After I’d set everything on a list, I gave it a Voice in my head. I made one up, so that it sounded best-fitting for all of that oftentimes vile and mostly unreasonable shit. After that, every time a critique would come, I’d take the brief time to see if it was on the list, and if yes, I slapped the voice onto it. Did this for a while, and then they started coming out directly in that voice, so I kinda’ know to avoid them without needing to look too closely. Dimmed a lot of the psychological impact and cleared up some self-confidence - enough to trust myself with Life In General, not enough to trust myself around people. Living with that Voice for a while also helped me understand just how artificial they all were.

                  • I then did the Voice thing for a couple more elements which I knew were taken from my folks, such as my grandfather’s quickness to anger and his urge to respond excessively (this is honestly just an angry version of myself, because it turned out to be useful when adequately directed), my tendency to underevaluate myself (that one’s whiny as fuck, because of course), my innate thirst for justice (this one isn’t really a Voice, as much as it is a… hmm, a nuance of feelings, I think), because it could very easily get polluted by the anger and just turn into Blind Vengeance, and because it developed as a result of the fact that I started understanding pretty early on that what was being done to me was immensely shitty, but I couldn’t do anything about it, so there’s over-boiled frustration in there. Again, this helped me while digging for my Core, because I thought it would be easier to attach new programming closer to the stem:))

                  • and finally (although still a huge bit of it all), I started doing sanity checks on myself. Every time something new came up and it wouldn’t fit any of the Voices, I’d start slowly opening up and asking people. Specifically just about that, how did they see the cause of my conundrum and how they’d react to it. Asked as many people as I could, also posted a lot of it on the old reddit mental health boards. And I’d just wait to get a relevant enough sample, average out the sanest-seeming response, then compared it to mine. Very important, every single time, I asked myself specifically what I WANTED to do. Checking my own opinion and making a conscious choice made me feel like I “owned” myself, and really helped with starting to prioritise myself a bit more (when justified, within reason, and that last one’s a lie, because I still give slightly too much, although I’ve limited it to people I love, in whichever way).

                  Other than that, and to bring this to a close, because fukken Jesus!, did a lot of therapy with people who would let me drone on, rummaging through my own head, and helped me do the exact thing I did with other people, although it was frequently faster due to their professional training. Practicing a sort of exposure therapy to saying “no” when I felt it was a no, forcefully taking care of my biology (“I’m not gonna eat just yet, I’ll finish this Spreadsheet and then I’ll get something” - he said, 8 hours ago), opening up more to and to more people (most won’t get it, but with luck, they’ll at least be interested in hearing it, so free sounding board/Squash wall!), and Letting Life Happen™, Going With It™, and other such very contemporary and youthful sayings. It’s brushing teeth, wiping ass, telling myself I’m not a worthless piece of shit, daily care routine.

                  Again, sorry for droning on, wanted to offer all I have on this. Genuinely hope with all my heart at least some of it will be marginally helpful… And stay strong!🤗 You’ve made an internet friend today, and I would happily bounce around ideas if you’ll decide to do the sanity check thing!:D

                  P.S.: oh, and that instinct to protect others from what you know is shitty is 100% noble! Like, objectively! Don’t forget that!

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    Isn’t the answer yes? Some things are just so serious that you can’t let yourself be emotional about them. The little annoyances are the ones that it’s safe to feel upset about without being overwhelmed.

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    You learn behaviors from your parents. Whatever you see them do more often, you’re more likely to repeat.

    If you saw them be angry and indifferent all the time, that’s what will come naturally to you.

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      My poor daughter, she reminds me so much of her mother.

      I remember when I first moved in with her. We were friends. We shared a room and a king size bed and nothing happened between us for months, and then it did.

      She was sweet for about two weeks. The first time it happened I remember waking up thinking she was being attacked. “AHHHHHHH!” I sat up in the bed in horror. “WHY WON’T YOU FUCKING LATHER?!!!?” BANG, BANG, BANG

      I got up and pecked on the door, “Is everything alright in there?” sobbing “Yes, it’s just this fucking shampoo. It won’t fucking lather. I keep dumping it on my stupid fucking head and it’s barely even soap!”

      I sat down just bewildered. Like, seriously? That meltdown occurred because the shampoo wasn’t lathering to her standards? I used it all the time. I’m a man who doesn’t care about those things, I just bought what my mom always bought. I never had a problem with it. Hell, it’s 20 years later and I still buy the stuff.

      The next time I woke up to a slam and clattering metal sounds. I walked into the kitchen. “FUCK THIS PAN! FUCK THIS STOVE! I give up, GODDAMMIT!!” She had turned on the wrong burner.

      It started happening more often until it was every single morning. I snapped at her one morning. BAM I slapped the bathroom door. “CUT THIS SHIT OUT! I’M SICK OF WAKING UP TO SCREAMING EVERY MORNING!” She sobbed, apologized, stopped for a few days, fired right back up when she was more comfortable.

      I started setting my alarm earlier than hers so I could get up and go outside until she cooled off. She never, ever, ever woke up in a good mood.

      She’s been dead for 3 years now, but man, my daughter will carry her shit around for a lifetime.

      I can control it with her though, calm her down, shut her up, but you gotta be careful haha. NEVER compare her to her mother, even if you’re just trying to be sweet or funny.

      My daughter is only about a tenth as bad as her mom was with it, but even that can be exhausting.

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        Sounds like my ex. The most easily-fixable things would cause her to fly off the handle. Non-issues like turning on the wrong burner; shit that could be resolved completely within 5 seconds if they would just take the time to shut the fuck up and think about it.

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          Hey hey hey.

          She was diagnosed with BPD right at the end of our relationship after I caught her cheating over and over again.

          Of course once she done research on BPD I was lying and making it up and she never told me that.

          Good lord man. What a nightmare it all was.

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              Man I’m still finding out crazy lies she told on me.

              Talked to my sister the other night and we got on the subject, she said, “You were pretty sadistic to her at times, but she was nuts.” I replied, “Sadistic? I wasn’t always kind to her, but sadistic? That’s a stretch.”

              “Well, she told me some crazy stuff, like when you stuck a screwdriver in your ear and hit it with a hammer if she didn’t say exactly what you wanted her to say when you thought she was lying once.”

              HOLY SHIT!

              I said, “Well, I still have my hearing. If there was any truth to that, wouldn’t I be deaf? Like, at least in one ear?”

              When I caught her with the guy she ended up with, she swore she was raped. He’s such a great guy too, and I’d never tell him that because it would crush him. He took care of her as she died from cancer.

              Man, oh man. The stories I have with that girl. She lied about anything and everything. According to her, I beat her, raped her, was responsible for every failure in her life.

              We were about to close on a loan for a home when she left me and I had to back out. She just sabotaged everything constantly. She took our daughter, left, told me her sister’s husband had guns so I’d better not come over to try to get my daughter. I said in anger, “If your plan is to keep my kid from me, he’ll need those guns to stop me from coming to get her.”

              Phone calls from her family started coming in. “How dare you threaten to shoot up a house with your kid in it!?” What!? She said that? That isn’t what happened.

              Beat herself up, sent me picture. “This is me without you. I’m literally tearing myself apart.”

              Sent the same pictures to friends and family. “He beat me!”

              Tried to convince our daughter that she witnessed me choking her out.

              Good lord.

              Life was good up until I caught her cheating the first time (verified anyway) and everything went nuts after that.

              I have my daughter in therapy. For me, this chaos passed pretty quick. For her, it was a significant portion of her life.

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                I suspect my mom has BPD or a similar condition because of similar behavior. She lied about me constantly, stole from me, randomly flew into intense rages which sometimes included physical attacks, and tried to sabotage everything I did. Now that she’s elderly, she wants my bf to change jobs so we can move to her state and live with her. 🙄

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                  Man. I know everyone is different, but I believe we should look out for each other. I mean, as much torment as it was for me to spend all that time with someone with BPD, I realize that she couldn’t help it. As much as my daughter and I were traumatized, she couldn’t help it.

                  Maybe it was easier for me to empathize with her because I knew her my whole life, and I knew how she grew up. Her stepdad, the man who raised her, spent nearly a decade in prison for bludgeoning her mother with a pipe wrench, right in front of her. She spent all of her teenage years grounded and slaving away for her mom.

                  My mom was batshit crazy too, and in my 20s, I didn’t want anything to do with her. I got older though and got closer with my uncle, and the stuff he told me was just insane.

                  My mother witnessed her mother’s suicide when she was only four years old. Her youngest sibling was 10 years older than her, her father didn’t know what to do with her, so she was bounced around from family member to family member. Along the way she was sexually molested by multiple people. When she was about 11 years old, she moved back in with her father for a time. He had remarried, and she had to spend the next several years being molested by her stepbrother.

                  All of her siblings are upper middle class or wealthy. She has never had anything. The world cheated her.

                  Even her siblings are crazy, my aunt woke up, screaming like that and pulling our hair in the mornings. But they had been through hell.

                  It was chaos leading up to my grandmother’s suicide. My uncle said he spent his entire childhood, pulling his parents apart and getting in the middle of their fights.

                  I had to move in with my mom for a while after me and my ex split. It ended badly. I love her with all of my heart, we just can’t live together. She was pretty rough on me as a kid, but she her best, considering the life that she lived.

                  And I’m old enough now that I’ve seen a lot of improvement in my people, self even. I’ve seen them calm down.

                  I never knew my grandpa when he was the monster he used to be. The man I knew was an activist who worked his butt off to help abused and neglected children. He adopted many children, took care of me.

                  I don’t know, you do what works for you. You definitely don’t want to put yourself into a situation that can lead to hurt.

                  Best of luck to you.

                  I’d look after my mom if she needed me. It would be a lot, but I’d do it.

                  I’ll share a song with you that my mother wrote when I was a little kid. My bother and I both made our own thing out of it too, without realizing it.

                  “Mama, I remember you lying on the floor I seen the cold, cold gun that took you away forevermore I remember in my heart I didn’t know what was going on I didn’t know my life would soon be gone

                  Did you know what you were doing when you took your life from me? Every day I’ve lived through hell eternally

                  Mama, I forgive you no matter what you’ve done Mama now I understand just what was going on For I too have lived the life that you had to live And it is for that very reason, mama I can forgive”

                  I might have fudged it a little bit. She was about 23-25 when she wrote it and man, hearing her sing it done something to me and made it easier for me to forgive her.

                  I wish everyone would make art in some way. It helps us to see past the basic everyday shit and how it has affected us.

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                Fuck, I had a friend like that. A best friend, no less. Made up a lot of stories and facts, always wanted to 1-up on skills he did not have, and would even do some stalkery shit as well.

                When we reunited when he turned 30, he went to my house. When he was there, he told everyone else he was at “his girlfriend’s house”. That pissed me off. Also I could not tell if he was lying about some past sexual abuse from past coworkers he had or not.

                Like you said, it was a mess. I’d rather be friendless with my computer than with him again.

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    Seems like a sense of scale to me. Driving and hitting a speed bump is immediately disruptive, but ultimately minor, where you could drive up a mountainside and hardly notice.

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      Dealing with mental illness can be more like hitting personal speed bumps often and sometimes hitting a deer instead.

      The mountainside inclined is the constant in the background.

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        I think its because when a minor inconvenience happens I fear it will escalate unless I do something. But I don’t know what to do

        But when a life changing event happens… what’s done is done