I donate to the Mozilla foundation, and I love Firefox a ton. But I can’t seem to like the UI by installing a theme, and when I change it to look better the browser slows to a crawl. Does it really matter all that much if I use Chromium?
P.S. To the people from my last post regarding something similar, Firefox was too slow, I’m sorry, but I use Vivaldi instead of Brave because Brendon Eich can suck my dick.
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tl;dr: A notable marketshare of multiple browser components and browsers must exist in order to properly ensure/maintain truly open web standards.
It is important that Firefox and its components like Gecko and Spidermonkey to exist as well as maintain a notable marketshare. Likewise, it is important for WebKit and its components to exist and maintain a notable marketshare. The same is true for any other browser/rendering/JavaScript engines.
While it is great that we have so many non-Google Chrome alternatives like Chromium, Edge, Vivaldi, etc., they all use the same or very similar engines. This means that they all display and interact with websites nearly identically.
When Google decides certain implementation/interpretation of web standards, formats, behavior, etc. should be included in Google Chrome (and consequently all Chromium based browsers), then the majority marketshare of web browsers will behave that way. If the Chrome/Chromium based browsers reaches a nearly unanimous browser marketshare, then Google can either ignore any/all open web standards, force their will in deciding/implementing new open web standards, or even become the defacto open web standard.
When any one entity has that much control over the open web standards, then the web standards are no longer truly “open” and in this case becomes “Google’s web standards”. In some (or maybe even many) cases, this may be fine. However, we saw with Internet Explorer in the past this is not something that the market should allow. We are seeing evidence that we shouldn’t allow Google to have this much influence with things like the adoption of JPEG XL or implementation of FLoC.
With three or more browser engines, rendering engines, and browsers with notable marketshares, web developers are forced to develop in adherence to the accepted open web standards. With enough marketshare spread across those engines/browsers, the various engines/browsers are incentivized to maintain compatibility with open web standards. As long as the open web standards are designed and maintained without overt influence by a single or few entities and the open standards are actively used, then the best interest of the collective of all internet users is best served.
Otherwise, the best interest of a few entities (in this case Google) is best served.
Yep, good explanation; but to add to this…
The important factor here as far as what an individual uses is the tracked metrics. When a browser looks at a website, it identifies itself and its engine. Therefore actually using an engine other than Chromium is important because it goes into use stats across all websites the individual visits.
And like with all collective endeavors, while an individual contribution is insignificant, the whole is made up of those individual contributions. It also only takes a few percentage points of users for a business to in theory want to avoid excluding those users and thus keep them developing for multiple browsers.
Ff is faster for me
You don’t even make sense. Themes slowing down the browser, what?? That doesn’t happen.
Hmmm. Hard to get over that dislike of an interface. I have found one plugin killed Firefox performance for me but I’m generally happy with the layout so haven’t messed with it.
On how important it is: I used Chromium for a while but went back to Firefox because I read someone somewhere say “If you don’t use Firefox, there eventually wont be a Firefox to use” and that was enough for me to switch back.
If you’re donating to Mozilla though, I guess they’re more than happy with that even if you’re not using the product.
Use what you like and don’t give a fuck about strangers on the internet deem the holy grail of browsers.
Same applies to alot of things online and offline such as movies books video games music operating systems art and so on best to male your own mind on things
Temple os is good stay mad glowies and libruls
You have a wording problem at the end of your comment, but exactly.
Like what you like, if something works for you and you’re fine with it or like it, what you enjoy shouldn’t matter to some fanboy
Exactly that is what i was going for make your own opinion on things. Internet and people be dammed if you like to watch a terrifically bad b movie or like a certain kind of comedy then you should make your own informed opinion on that thing
You can like a movie or a book or something and still acknowledge all its faults aswell
What I said at the end was a joke a shitpost not a “wording problem” it’s not a serious take I can assure you that lol
Same energy as “I’m not interested in politics”.
Then don’t complain when Google forces their view of internet on everyone else.
It matters as much as you want it to.
using firefox on Linux with i5 6th gen, ddr3 32gb.
have over 100 tabs. most are suspended. cannot say it is slow.
edit: running with NVMe
I use a laptop with about 6GB of ram :/
Browser ram usage will just about always max out the available ram. It’s by design. It’s keeping open as much as it can for a faster user experience. As you run other programs, the browser should be giving up ram (blanking more tabs) to give it to the programs demanding it.
FF runs fine on my 4gb netbook and 2gb raspi, I think you might have other bottlenecks on your system that are causing your issues
do your laptop has HDD by any chance? if so, changing HDD to SSD would give your laptop a new life.
Use what you prefer, except brave, they can go fuck themselves.
Firefox works great for me, but I have OP hardware.
Remove all your plug-ins and run it standalone. Firefox doesn’t drag ass.
Use whatever browser works best for you. It is kind of dumb to stick to something you do not like just because of ideology.
That said both Firefox and Chromium based browsers have pros and cons, there is no best one. My primary browser at home is Firefox, at work I use Edge, I like both. Some time ago tried to fully move from Firefox to Vivaldi, but went back due to couple things that I preferred on FF.
Your main problem is probably 6GB physical memory. At least on Windows 10+ I would not be comfortable with less than 16GB. Hope you at least have SSD.
Every now and then I just force myself to use different browsers just to see if I like them more or if there are some features I like. For now I have always returned to Firefox because it just works for me best, but I have also really enjoyed Vivald when I have tried it and I could easily also use it as my main browser.
I use Linux, so system memory usage shouldn’t be an issue
Firefox is faster than Chrome for me. Theme isn’t an issue for me, but the thing that took me a long time to get where I like it, is getting rid of all the buttons and UI elements and plugin icons that I didn’t want to see all the time to get things streamlined down to where I like them. It did take me a couple months to get everything how I like it, but now when I use chrome, it seems clunky.
Trying to switch tools takes a while to get right and to re-learn. There are some things I don’t like about Firefox still, but more I don’t like about Chrome.
as much as I like firefox, it runs like crap on Android. Performance is just not quite there (yet)
What are you running into? Performance for me is more or less the same between both. I’m on a Pixel 4a but also running pihole and ublock so maybe that speeds things.
While it is important in a sense what you use, you and I are such a miniscule inconsequential part of the equation that it won’t matter what you actually end up using
Use what you like instead and dont worry too much about what these hokier than thou doichenozzles wanna force you into usinfg
FF is totally broken for me when I try to use anything Google or Cloudflare related for some reason. With cloudflare, I’m in a human verification loop and with Google I get the message “This browser or app may not be secure”, in a regular window or private window. This is Ubuntu 22.04. Works fine in chrome. Only browser plug-in I use is KeePassXC, and disabling it doesn’t resolve the issue. Disabling pfblocker-ng at my router also did not solve the issue.
Have you tried creating a new, clean profile? You can do so with
about:profiles.I’ll give that a shot when I get home.
This fixed the issue. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Repo. I had to abandon the default snap install because it was sandboxed, and I need the KPXC plugin to be able to communicate with KPXC for login autofill.
And for reference, this is FF119.
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Yeah, it’s super annoying as I don’t use Chrome for anything anymore and this just recently started happening, maybe within the last 2-3 months.
