Israel has continued bombarding Gaza’s south despite telling 1.1 million people in the north of the besieged enclave to relocate there ahead of an expected ground offensive.

“We were displaced from Tal al-Hawa to Rafah at the request of the Israeli army, and this is what happened to us. My son is a 3-month-old martyr,” the father of a child killed in an attack in Rafah told Al Jazeera.

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    Where are all those people wailing about Hamas being monsters for killing babies? This should make them even angrier and louder.

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      Now don’t be silly, you’re implying there is logic and reason to their arguments instead of just emotion.

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        This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.

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          This is whataboutism but the same crowd has the opposite opinion when it come to Russia and Ukraine. And Ukraine didn’t even shoot missiles at Russia first.

          So it just appears to be alignment with certain groups and countries rather than honest worry about anyone’s wellbeing.

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          SasquatchBanana

          This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.

          Did anything that you read register or did you just blindly imagine something defending Israel lol?

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            To militaries and the vast majority of western ethics… There’s a huge mental difference between terrorist attacks that discriminately shoot innocent children and families, from bombing those who are unlucky and happen to be near the bad guy.

            You’re literally rationalizing Israel (and other countries like Russia and US) going in and killing children deliberately as unlucky. Israel knows they are killing children. The moment the fucking number of “casualties” is half children then they should fucking stop.

            For places like this though, their hatred runs deep. Civilian casualties are part of the business when you’re packed that deep and using innocent people as shields.

            But, no, you aren’t doing apologia. It’s just part of the business! So let’s turn around and ignore what’s happening 🙌

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    1.67 "9/11"s worth of death, in retaliation for 0.47 "9/11"s worth of dead on Oct 7th.

    Or, with 9/11= 2977 and the Iraq war killing 187,000 civilians, we get a ~63:1 misplaced retaliation vs. initial attack ratio. So the one could extrapolate from the 1400 dead on Oct 7th that 88,200 innocent people in Gaza will need to be killed to quench the IDF’s rage.

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      Why not count the Afghans too? People keep forgetting that happened for some reason… Which is weird considering they were the first ones to be attacked in retaliation and Iraq wasn’t an answer to 9/11…

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      Nothing will ever quench their rage. It’s all they have.

      Equally importantly, they never cared about the lives of people in Gaza. We see this all the time in war… If killing 63 number of enemies will save even 1 of our own lives, we’ll do it. Doesn’t matter if it’s 63, or 6,300, or 630,000, because the enemies’ lives aren’t worth anything to them.

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        Israel has been governed by far right ultra-nationalist racists for decades now and Arabs are üntermensch in their eyes, especially Palestinians, hency why they have an Arab Israeli Citizenship separate from the Jewish Israeli Citizenship and with fewer rights and why they have very openly called them “human animals”.

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      You missed something in your math there. IDF is considering the October 7th attack as “10 time worse than 9/11” so up those numbers close to 900,000. Maybe make it 911,911 for the fun propaganda value. With more than half of the 2.2 million Gaza population (although maybe we should start counting the West Bank killings as it is ramping up, too) being children and seeing how Israeli government doesn’t discriminate , maybe they can quench their bloodthrist with young blood alone, even.

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        America has a population that is 35 larger than Israel. If America had lost the same percentage of their population as Israel did on Oct 7th, it would be ~49,420 dead, or the equivalence of 16 "9/11"s. That is why Biden said 10 times worse than 9/11.

        Iraq currently has a population of 43.5 million. 187k is 0.42% of it’s population. If we do it by percent of population, Gaza has 2 million people, so the retaliation would kill “only” 8,600.

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          Oh, so good news, the blood fugue is close to an end. I was worried this would get worse. /s

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        It’s baffling to me why this blood ratio is circulating so much in the news. Did the Las Vegas shooter kill the American equivalent of 1.8 Israelis?

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      The previous mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, ended their status as sister city with Tel Aviv over the systematic crimes from the state of Israel against Palestinians. The immediate reaction of the Israeli embassy was denouncing her as antisemitic, both in the media and in courts, which recently found her innocent.

      The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades, and that’s a very dangerous game for the well-being of Jews in a world where actual nazis are slowly gaining power, because once you’re run the term down through the ground, calling actual hate crimes against Jews “antisemitic” will no longer have any meaning.

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        So you are basically saying that Israel uses Jews as human shields against antisemitism.

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        The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades,

        At this point, that’s just a template answer, not different than the template answers China delivers everytime someone says something about the Uygur genocide, the Hong Kong occupation, or claims over Taiwan.

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        I’m German, it’s so depressing that our nation’s stance on this will always be: We stand 100% behind Israel.

        Discussions exist and it’s being debated a lot on TV. People are pretty much appalled, with what Israel is doing.

        Anyone, that feels the least amount of compassion towards other people, is not ok with this. Disregarding religion, nationality, race or whatever community they belong to. There’s no way to justify this, no way at all.

        Edit: 5000 dead and they haven’t even sent in any troops yet.

        Let this shit sink in.

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        Israel humiliated Biden during Obama’s term when Biden went to visit Israel and suggested in soft words that they don’t expand illegal settlements. Israel basically said screw you in the press conference, and Biden took it like an obedient slave. Really showed the world who holds his leash.

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      Shit like this is no small part of why I’d sooner serve crack that serve in the military. And there’s not a single drop of sarcasm in that statement.

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      Think of what Palestinians are going through if you feel this way. I had to stop looking at the corpses and small children being torn apart. But I don’t regret it, it only made my resolve stronger to counter the lies.

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      Me too.

      I’m both sad and very angry about the situation, nothing news worthy so far makes me feel so powerless.

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    It is all and well within the limit of a “proportionate” response exercising the “right of selfdefence”! Wondering who decides where the limit goes.

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      Get the fuck outta here you terrorist apologist fucking scumbag. PALESTINIANS have the right to self defense, but Hamas is a terrorist group that murders civilians. They can all burn in hell with Isreal’s leaders.

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    I’d be careful with using these numbers as they are difficult to verify and often come from Hamas themselves. That is not to dismiss lives lost but raise awareness about committing to accurate information.