If you have the Brave Browser installed on your Windows devices, then you may also have Brave VPN services installed on the machine. Brave installs these services without user consent on Windows devices.

Brave Firewall + VPN is an extra service that Brave users may subscribe to for a monthly fee. Launched in mid-2022, it is a cooperation between Brave Software, maker of Brave Browser, and Guardian, the company that operates the VPN and the firewall solution. The firewall and VPN solution is available for $9.99 per month.

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    Brave, owned by Brendan Eich who has donated to homophobic charities and whose browser promotes a load of crypto bro shit on the new tab page.

    Unironically, using straight up Google Chrome is better IMO

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      Bro missed his crypto scam chance by 6-12mo and just won’t give up.

      I tell people to use open source Chromium, Firefox or … Hell, use Vivaldi or something. Brave is a bad time waiting to happen at this point.

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      Why is a server in Washington DC not safe and secure? I’ll give you private against government snooping it’s not, but it can still be safe and secure.

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          But it isn’t the entire point tho, I use it when connected to public wifi networks to keep my connection secure. Sure, not letting your local ISP spy on you and report it to the gov is one but not the entire point.

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              Not always. If someone really wanted to, it’s easy to create aan in the middle attack with something like a VPN. Shouldnt really ever trust public wifi with sensitive info. Can easily be sniffed with a little effort

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            Well, there are 5 governments you should be concidering. Or is it 8? Might be 12 by now…

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    I’ve seen this software behaviour back in the day, oh wait its called trojan.

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    And spyware for free, and I would not be surprised if they included an insecure backdoor at no extra cost.

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      I’ve posted a similar question to asklemmy but more over the focus on preference than privacy. In short the search engine Kagi is really good, Brave search was what I had used for a while. I think search engine choice is a case by case kinda thing, each person uses what they like. There are some other engines I forgot from my post which are more privacy centered.

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          Yes it is 10 dollars a month, but you can create an account and try it for free to see if it is for you. It also does not use your data nor push advertisements which explains the cost.

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    Well I feel better about making the switch to Firefox now, and doing a custom user.js

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    I use Vivaldi, Andisearch and Mojeek. I’m going fine with these. As VPN Proton

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    Check out thorium.rocks It is a fork of Chromium with performance and security improvement. Chris Titus recommends it.

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    I don’t use Windows but if you install a program that requires a service on Linux, the service will be written to your system’s services daemon awaiting your activation. I don’t see what the issue with that is.

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      What’s to stop the installer on Linux from configuring the service such that the service always runs on boot? e.g. systemctl enable malware.service.

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        You still need to manually enable the service. The configuration of the service has zero effect on its activation or lifecycle.

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          Huh? Any script can create a service, enable it and then start it. What would make you think the brave package (or just the application itself) can’t do this?

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            Not possible to start or enable a created service without user intervention. You don’t know what you are talking about.

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              OK… challenge accepted. Maybe you don’t know about systemd user services.

              Content of mytrojan.sh:

              #!/usr/bin/env bash
              
              echo "Writing the service unit file"
              
              cat > ~/.config/systemd/user/my_test_service.service << EOF
              [Unit]
              Description=Script Daemon For Test User Services
              
              [Service]
              Type=simple
              User=
              #Group=
              ExecStart=/home/user/bin/myscript.sh
              Restart=on-failure
              StandardOutput=file:%h/log_file
              
              [Install]
              WantedBy=default.target
              EOF
              
              echo "Reloading systemd for the user"
              systemctl --user daemon-reload || exit 1
              
              echo "Enabling and starting the service"
              systemctl --user enable --now my_test_service.service
              

              Content of myscript.sh:

              $ cat ~/bin/myscript.sh
              #!/usr/bin/env bash
              
              while true
              do
                  now=$(date)
                  me=$(whoami)
                  echo "User $me at $now"
                  sleep 10
              done
              

              Now run the script (mytrojan.sh) and check service status after that:

              $ ./mytrojan.sh
              Writing the service unit file
              Reloading systemd for the user
              Enabling and starting the service
              $ systemctl --user status my_test_service.service
              ● my_test_service.service - Script Daemon For Test User Services
                   Loaded: loaded (/home/user/.config/systemd/user/my_test_service.service; enabled; vendor preset: ena>
                   Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-10-19 12:15:21 EEST; 6s ago
                 Main PID: 1666383 (myscript.sh)
                    Tasks: 2 (limit: 18757)
                   Memory: 556.0K
                      CPU: 4ms
                   CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/app.slice/my_test_service.service
                           ├─1666383 /bin/bash /home/user/bin/myscript.sh
                           └─1666387 sleep 10
              
              Oct 19 12:15:21 tesla systemd[1866318]: Started Script Daemon For Test User Services
              
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                You failed. This requires the user to run a script aka manual intervention.

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                  Now imagine that the script is set to run as part of the brave installation - you type “yes” please download brave, brave installs brave and runs this script. Linux isn’t immune to malware as you seem to think.