Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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    Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says “the war needs to end”, drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country’s natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

    Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won’t stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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      Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn’t vote because they were upset with Democrat’s handling of foreign affairs?

      Clown country.

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    I saw a mouse poop and its poop was saying that Ukraine should give territory and other things. I just ignored it and moved on my trail this morning. Can’t let poop dictate world order.

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    I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

    If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

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      I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

      Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.

      We negotiate with terrorists all the time.

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        US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It’s like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.

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          Ken: Colonel, the guy you bagged is Dr. Amir Teraki, Pakistani. PhD in Astrophysics, educated at Harvard.

          Colonel Tom Devoe: That’s right, people. We educated half the world’s terrorists.

          The Peacemaker wasn’t that well received but that line stuck with me.

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      ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

      That US never existed.

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    I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

    This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

    Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

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      Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

      Ukraine had security “guarantees” when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

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        Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

        Don’t need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

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    Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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      What about the security “guarantees” Ukraine already had?

      I guess it’s only a guarantee if it’s guaranteed at least twice? Lol.

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          He’s talking about the 1994 treaty Ukraine made with Russia in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for Russia’s promise to never invade them.

          He put “guarantees” in quotes because Russia fucking lied.

          Because that’s what Russia does.

          So what good do any kinds of guarantees from Russia or America or anyone else do for Ukraine in regards to this war when they already gave up a powerful means of self defense and were fucking lied to?

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    I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

    That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

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    Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we’re going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

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        An entirely treasonous party.

        If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.

        The old Republican party is dead. Now it’s only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.

        And so far the “land of the brave” is rolling over and letting them do it.