• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Probably a good move on your part. When they try to force windows 11 on me, that’s when I will be moving to Linux.

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        2 years ago

        Why wait, do it now.

        I jumped ship to Linux when Win 7 died, cause I’d rather be fucked by a rusty fencepost than be forced to use 10, and 11 is right out.

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          2 years ago

          Looking to move an older Windows 7 laptop to Linux this week, any suggestions? Feels like there’s so much.

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              I agree with every point you make except for the desktop environment front end.

              While it is nice to install a distro with a given desktop environment OOTB, you can always change it, and even have multiple ones installed at the same time. This is typically a better approach to testing out desktop environments because you don’t have to reinstall every time.

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            2 years ago

            If you just need a general purpose desktop and it’s your your first time, I would suggest just picking a popular and stable one with lots of documentation like Debian, Mint or Ubuntu.

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              I’m leaning towards Debian myself. I don’t like the direction Ubuntu (mint is essentially Ubuntu too) is going. Ubuntu is ran by a for profit company, and it is only going to get worse after snaps.

              From what I’ve read Debian is about as new user friendly as Ubuntu is.

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            2 years ago

            Fedora saved my old Windows laptop and it was a pretty smooth switch from Windows for me (though I had a bit of Linux experience). That thing became quicker than when I first bought it haha.

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            2 years ago

            Ignore all the “this distro is the best”

            Just use Ubuntu to start until you know what you wish was different

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              2 years ago

              I agree with the first part but Ubuntu is pretty much the worst distro you can recommend.

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                2 years ago

                It’s what proprietary software tends to target, so for someone just coming from Windows, it’s a decent first choice.

                OpenSUSE/Fedora don’t support media codecs without knowing you need to add Packman/RPMFusion

                Debian just released Bookworm, so it might be an okay recommendation for now, but as a general rule it’s probably not the best first distro

                For someone used to Windows staying the same for years, jumping straight to a rolling release like Arch or its derivatives is a massive change

                NixOS is too much configuration for a first time user

                Linux Mint is maybe a better first recommendation, but it’s still downstream of Ubuntu (I wouldn’t recommend LMDE for a first time Linux user)

                Your response is exactly why people find it so difficult to pick a distro to start. Ubuntu may not be the perfect distro for you or I, but there’s a decent reason it’s one of the biggest, and it has conservative defaults

                Until that user knows what things bother them about it or what more they need, we’d just go back and forth all day about upsides and downsides of each distro

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          2 years ago

          Why wait, do it now.

          Because Linux is a giant pain in the ass for anyone who is not a software engineer.

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              In the way that you will be expected to memorize a plethora of commands that you then type into a text-based interface the same way you would have with Windows DOS in 1998.

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                  No shit. It doesn’t matter because any type of troubleshooting and most installations require you to dive into the CLI or download an appimage, open the properties and select an executable. This is not remotely intuitive. I mean I could go on and on and on with this but anyone who uses Linux knows it already. I just don’t understand why they can’t see how incredibly unintuitive the entire system is, with seemingly no plans to make it easier.

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                    I think it depends on what you’re trying to do. Normal stuff like web browsing, email and working with documents is fine. For example, my partner has been running her business from a Linux laptop for the last year or so and I don’t think she ever touches the terminal.

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                    It’s not that it’s unintuitive at all if you pick a simple distro, it’s just slightly different from Windows which has been shoved in your face throughout your entire education and career.

                    Yes there is some small amount of learning involved, but there are many Linux distros nowadays that are setup for ease of use and require no CLI knowledge or use from the user. There are many desktop environments that mimic Windows versions to make the switch pretty seamless, too.

                    If you first tried Linux many years ago, I could understand you saying that it’s unintuitive, but nowadays that just isn’t the case.

                    I’d like to add that you should just pick the OS you prefer. I’m not one of those needs that look down on anyone who chooses to use Windows over Linux. I personally have both on my machine because games. I just wanted to clarify that it isn’t unintuitive at all, just different than what you were forced to learn in school.

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            2 years ago

            Mainstream distros are just as easy to use as windows or MacOS.

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              Let me tell you a little story about yesterday:

              My Signal app on Linux keeps crashing. I write to them for support. They suggest I install the Beta version. Why would they suggest I install a version that openly state is “for users who do not mind discontinuity in service and are willing to work with us to understand and test issues.” to fix an issue, I haven’t the slightest, but I take a look regardless.

              “To install on MacOS, download and install this file”

              “To install on Windows, download and install the file”

              “To install on Linux open a terminal and copy and paste these commands”.

              So I open the terminal and copy and paste the commands and I get some generic error message I don’t understand and now I…fuck off because I’m not a software engineer and don’t know how to fix this shit. That’s before even getting into the 2 other commands I’m supposed to run that I don’t understand what they are or what they do.

              My ProtonVPN client on Linux is incredibly basic and unstable, and has been for many years while the Windows client is beautiful and functions perfectly in the background with zero interaction.

              People who think Linux is fine for the general public are, frankly, delusional. I don’t have another word to explain how you can be under that impression.

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                You make a fair point. ProtonVPN was a nightmare for me to set up and get working too but I think that’s Proton’s fault more than Linux’s. I have many other applications that I simply installed with one click from the Software application and then have never needed to touch again. It seems not all app developers are equally motivated to make their stuff easy to run.

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                  I think that’s Proton’s fault more than Linux

                  To the end user, it doesn’t matter.

                  It seems not all app developers are equally motivated to make their stuff easy to run.

                  Yes, that is the point. Many developers don’t care to rewrite their software for the 1% of people that daily drive Linux .

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              2 years ago

              As a Linux user I mostly agree…

              … until you try to play any competitive multiplayer game and wonder why any anticheat doesn’t work or flags your system and account.

              Nowadays I use my Windows 10 mostly for games and video editing.

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                EAC depending on the title works out of the box from what I’ve seen, I don’t have much time these days to play many competitive shooters or games in general but Battlebit and PlanetSide look to work fine through proton.

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        My new hardware is literally incompatible with Windows 11. They’re doing me a kindness I don’t want all this AI shit on my PC

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      Me too !! Been loving Ubuntu the last couple of months. Had very few issues other than one time my Gui stopped working and it would only boot into terminal, if anyone knows how to fix that it would be great incase it happens again . Last time I just did a fresh install.