There are three types of conspiracy theories:
rumors of a massacre in the Square would be easy to dispel if foreign journalists were allowed to stay and film. but protests were an embarrassment to China, and China sweeps embarrassments under the rug.
We don’t know how many people U.S. police kill every year, and you could fill volumes with all the other horrible stuff our government does that only leaks out decades later. Governments being shy about publicizing embarrassments is a government thing, not a Chinese thing.
The specifics of the incident are murky overwhelmingly due to one reason: the western world decided to mythologize it. The vast majority of western discussion on it now falls into two camps: right-wingers who deliberately spread the most lurid campfire stores imaginable (10,000 deaths! Tanks ground people into paste!), and liberals who lazily repeat inaccuracies and falsehoods that are occasionally more plausible (e.g., the legacy media doing this in the Columbia Journalism Review article). Some academics and leftists will try to sort through all this garbage, but they are the distinct minority.
“It’s the voters who are wrong, not my genocidal policies”
“Hey why aren’t people voting for me, wait, come back”
I have extreme anxiety talking to people I find attractive and have a very hard time reading people’s body language as to when they’re sexually interested, the only time I’ve ever managed to pick up a random person has been basically when I acted like a pick up artist.
Just ask them, word for word, “do you want to go on a date sometime?” It’s no more anxiety-inducing than anything else, and you don’t have to do any weird pick up artist stuff.
If they are actually interested in you, they’ll say yes.
My point was that China ordered the army to do what they did.
What’s your source for this? Had they been ordered to shoot a bunch of protesters, why would they have let protesters in the square leave peacefully?
The much more likely scenario is soldiers were met with deadly violence at some point and – as most armed people who face deadly violence will do – opened fire.
I’m not making an argument about what violence was justified and what wasn’t. I’m pointing out that the facts we agree on contradict your claim that there was some top-down order to massacre people, and that you haven’t provided any support for that claim in the first place.
There are a million problems with the police, but this isn’t anywhere near accurate.
https://www.osc.ny.gov/retirement/publications/1841/20-year-retirement-benefit
With 20 years of creditable service, you will receive a retirement benefit of 50 percent of your Final Average Salary (FAS).
NYPD cops aren’t pulling in an average of $1.2 million per year.
Edit – better source:
The average pension received by full career retirees was $84,964.
A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.
The Chinese government estimates more than 300 fatalities. Western estimates are somewhat higher. Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city, where, it should be added, a few soldiers were beaten or burned to death by angry workers.
The resilient tale of an early morning Tiananmen massacre stems from several false eyewitness accounts in the confused hours and days after the crackdown. Human rights experts George Black and Robin Munro, both outspoken critics of the Chinese government, trace many of the rumor’s roots in their 1993 book, Black Hands of Beijing: Lives of Defiance in China’s Democracy Movement. Probably the most widely disseminated account appeared first in the Hong Kong press: a Qinghua University student described machine guns mowing down students in front of the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of the square. The New York Times gave this version prominent display on June 12, just a week after the event, but no evidence was ever found to confirm the account or verify the existence of the alleged witness. Times reporter Nicholas Kristof challenged the report the next day, in an article that ran on the bottom of an inside page; the myth lived on. Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred.
I’m certainly not getting my hopes up, but this being in LA instead of Kabul might have a significant effect on how willingly the rank-and-file will just open up on a crowd.
There’s a big Navy base in San Diego; some of the Marines are probably coming from there. Some probably grew up in California, more probably visited LA at some point. Going a few hours to a place where people speak your language and there an In-and-Out Burger down the street is very different from going halfway across the world to a place where you recognize little and understand far less.
According to Defense Minister Israel Katz, the activists refused to continue watching the film after seeing the brutality of the attacks.
So this headline is probably a lie.
It’s simultaneously:
The U.S. is predominantly running the show, but Israel has agency too, and its state policy involves filtering out U.S. politicians who might oppose its interests as early as possible. This includes a massive amount of pro-Israel propaganda intended for mainstream consumption, harassing professors at colleges, etc.
What about this: give homeless people homes
Yes, some of those “national liberation fighters” were absolute shitbag nazi scum, but not all
If you are fighting against the Allies alongside “shitbag Nazi scum,” you are a Nazi sympathizer.
The vast majority of the world sees this clearly.
The gleeful people are gleeful because the man is responsible for a genocide, and a painful death is the only measure of justice he’ll get. “Parasocial” is a term for obsessively following twitch streamers, not seeking any sort of accountability for the most powerful person in the world.
Plenty of people are also rightfully upset at further proof that Democratic leadership lied to them, and lied to them in a way that threw a layup election to Republicans.
you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
If both parties are doing a genocide right now, how can you argue this is a bad thing?
From a global perspective, the U.S. empire can’t end soon enough. It’ll even be good for the U.S. if we manage to take all that money reserved for worldwide slaughter and build houses and pay for education with it. Unfortunately, none of that appears likely to happen unless the empire crashes and burns first. Whether we can make something better out of that is another question.
They just wanted to look good for their internet points.
A lot of the people who didn’t vote for Kamala over Palestine have gone to protests, and many of those people have been arrested or worse. That’s not even getting to the Palestinian Americans who have had family members killed by U.S. bombs.
Your vile ass is saying it’s all internet shit to them while you vote for the people dropping those bombs.
She did say she would break from Biden in one key area
She’d have a Republican in her cabinet!
Less than a year ago he was the Democratic nominee for president. The fact that he was obviously unfit for the job is an indictment of all the Democrats who lied about his health for years.
This is very much relevant to the future of the Democratic Party, not a “gosh who cares”
Canada has a large diaspora of Ukrainian Nazi sympathizers. They famously gave a Ukrainian Nazi a standing ovation in parliament.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125
The accusation wasn’t human rights abuses, the accusation was genocide.
The propaganda trick here is to throw out a henious story, completely fail to back it up with evidence, then gradually retreat to a far less damning accusation that’s essentially impossible to disprove. The smear sticks with most people and you then see how much of the lie you can get away with depending on the crowd.
“Purposefully” is debatable, but whether intentional or by happenstance, damn it really is odd that so many descendants of Nazis are all over the my imperial core countries that backed tons of fascist coups over thr past 75 years.