Online posts have listed the names and salaries of health insurance executives and "Wanted" signs have been posted in Manhattan, according to the bulletin.
Now of that I have no doubt. I was just saying the idea that only rich people’s murders get solved is just not true. But apparently I misunderstood what the person I was replying to was saying.
I think the amount of resources expended is absolutely valid criticism. There are active kidnappings that have less mobilization than this fucking circus - there are times people are still alive and end up dead because cops couldn’t give a fucking damn… especially if we open the can of domestic abuse.
NYPD barely bats above 50% for murder arrests in a ‘good’ period - not convictions. 33% is abysmal given their absurd budget and frankly unconstitutional practices like stop and frisk.
Within the U.S. criminal justice system, criminal cases can be cleared (or closed) one of two ways. The first is through arrest… The second way a case can be closed is through what is called exceptional means, where law enforcement must have either identified the offender, gathered enough evidence to arrest, charge, and prosecute someone, identified the offender’s exact location, or come up against a circumstance outside the control of law enforcement that keeps them from arresting and prosecuting the offender
Are you saying there aren’t a lot of murderers in prisons?
And people really think murderers only get caught if they only murder rich people?
Because otherwise I don’t understand the downvotes. I can provide so many examples of poor people getting murdered and the murderer going to prison. Is there really a claim that doesn’t happen?
Again, the cops spend nowhere near the amount of resources on such murders, but that doesn’t mean that they all go unsolved.
Are you saying there aren’t a lot of murderers in prisons?
Definitely not. Simply that prisons generally aren’t filled with a majority of murderers.
people really think murderers only get caught if they only murder rich people?
You’re getting downvoted because this a bizarre extrapolation from my original comment. A ghost gun with a silencer, very little unintentional evidence, and a clean getaway is a hell of a case to crack. They barely managed it even with all the resources they used, and I have my doubts that Luigi is just a scapegoat. If you or I were killed like this, our murderer would not be caught.
Then I apologize for assuming you had the full context before engaging the way I did. You deserved to get a chance to understand before you got dog piled.
this is the internet and courtesy is generally considered a bad thing
I want to be the change with this perspective, so I hope that only the downvotes were the outcome of this misunderstanding!
You’re correct and I think your original statement was pretty fair - but “All the time” and other soft indications like that - serve poorly when we’re discussing something as serious as murder. Most murders go unsolved and while a very significant number of murders are resolved if you happen to be talking to someone who has intimate knowledge of a family member or friend being murdered “all the time” is likely to come across as cavalier.
Our language gets weird around strongly emotional events (you’ll get a similar response if, at a friends’ wedding you comment “You know, most marriages end in divorce” even if it’s objectively the truth).
So written by a person with a little bit of ASD and has similarly put their foot in their mouth in the past.
Genuinely? I’ve reported multiple thefts over the years, never had any of it returned. Had to get a bike that was stolen from me (with my full name engraved) back by literally stealing it back from the person I knew stole it in the first place.
No, they fucking don’t. When I came home to a burgler actively in my fucking apartment I called 911 and the police didn’t show up for four fucking hours.
The US has absolutely awful police forces with terrible incentives.
Oftentimes no. The last couple of times I called nobody showed up. Granted, the last time I was actively trying to avoid them coming because it was a mental health issue (a naked homeless dude spouting nonsense) but there was still never any follow up. The previous time my wife was cornered in her office at work but some random guy who exposed himself to her. The police never sent anyone or even called back.
I mean, they do, sometimes, if there is an immediate danger or ongoing crime.
… And they might just barge into the wrong apartment and shoot your neighbor to death.
Or shoot you or your dog to death.
Sometimes they all show up and form a perimeter around an ongoing crime scene and then proceed to let the criminal go around murdering children for an hour, despite massively out numbering and out gunning him, and then spend weeks and months lying about doing exactly that.
Once I called them because two guys were beating up a homeless guy. they never showed. They called three hours later and asked if I still needed them to drop by. Their stated policy says that they will show up within 15 minutes if people are in danger. I guess homeless people aren’t people.
Only the rich? Do police not come when you call 911?
If you were killed in the same manner as Thompson, your killer would never be found.
Regular old people get murdered all the time. Sometimes in targeted assassinations. The killers get caught all the time.
The cops spend nowhere near this amount of resources, obviously, but saying the killer would never be found is nonsense.
Prisons are not filled with murderers who have only been convicted of murdering the wealthy.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/crime-without-punishment-new-york/
Seems like it’s pretty much a coin flip. Also (to no one’s surprise) you get a much better chance of them catching your murderer if you’re white.
Now of that I have no doubt. I was just saying the idea that only rich people’s murders get solved is just not true. But apparently I misunderstood what the person I was replying to was saying.
I think the amount of resources expended is absolutely valid criticism. There are active kidnappings that have less mobilization than this fucking circus - there are times people are still alive and end up dead because cops couldn’t give a fucking damn… especially if we open the can of domestic abuse.
There’s also a non zero chance the police kill a 911-caller/victim/hostage/bystander.
I agree. It is completely valid. I thought My post suggested it.
NYPD barely bats above 50% for murder arrests in a ‘good’ period - not convictions. 33% is abysmal given their absurd budget and frankly unconstitutional practices like stop and frisk.
That’s still part of the problem with the justice system and prisons generally aren’t filled with murderers.
Are you saying there aren’t a lot of murderers in prisons?
And people really think murderers only get caught if they only murder rich people?
Because otherwise I don’t understand the downvotes. I can provide so many examples of poor people getting murdered and the murderer going to prison. Is there really a claim that doesn’t happen?
Again, the cops spend nowhere near the amount of resources on such murders, but that doesn’t mean that they all go unsolved.
Definitely not. Simply that prisons generally aren’t filled with a majority of murderers.
You’re getting downvoted because this a bizarre extrapolation from my original comment. A ghost gun with a silencer, very little unintentional evidence, and a clean getaway is a hell of a case to crack. They barely managed it even with all the resources they used, and I have my doubts that Luigi is just a scapegoat. If you or I were killed like this, our murderer would not be caught.
It wouldn’t have hurt if someone had explained that to me earlier rather.
But then this is the internet and courtesy is generally considered a bad thing in my experience.
Then I apologize for assuming you had the full context before engaging the way I did. You deserved to get a chance to understand before you got dog piled.
I want to be the change with this perspective, so I hope that only the downvotes were the outcome of this misunderstanding!
Thank you. I am glad you agree with me on courtesy. I hope more people do.
You should look up the stats before making wild statements.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high
Which statement did I make that was wild? Because none of that contradicts anything I said.
I never made the claim that all or even most murders get solved.
This you?
“All the time” and “every time” are not even close to the same thing.
So again, your link doesn’t contradict what I said.
There are constant murder trials. Do you deny that fact?
You’re correct and I think your original statement was pretty fair - but “All the time” and other soft indications like that - serve poorly when we’re discussing something as serious as murder. Most murders go unsolved and while a very significant number of murders are resolved if you happen to be talking to someone who has intimate knowledge of a family member or friend being murdered “all the time” is likely to come across as cavalier.
Our language gets weird around strongly emotional events (you’ll get a similar response if, at a friends’ wedding you comment “You know, most marriages end in divorce” even if it’s objectively the truth).
So written by a person with a little bit of ASD and has similarly put their foot in their mouth in the past.
Genuinely? I’ve reported multiple thefts over the years, never had any of it returned. Had to get a bike that was stolen from me (with my full name engraved) back by literally stealing it back from the person I knew stole it in the first place.
No, they fucking don’t. When I came home to a burgler actively in my fucking apartment I called 911 and the police didn’t show up for four fucking hours.
The US has absolutely awful police forces with terrible incentives.
Oftentimes no. The last couple of times I called nobody showed up. Granted, the last time I was actively trying to avoid them coming because it was a mental health issue (a naked homeless dude spouting nonsense) but there was still never any follow up. The previous time my wife was cornered in her office at work but some random guy who exposed himself to her. The police never sent anyone or even called back.
I mean, they do, sometimes, if there is an immediate danger or ongoing crime.
… And they might just barge into the wrong apartment and shoot your neighbor to death.
Or shoot you or your dog to death.
Sometimes they all show up and form a perimeter around an ongoing crime scene and then proceed to let the criminal go around murdering children for an hour, despite massively out numbering and out gunning him, and then spend weeks and months lying about doing exactly that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting
Oh you had a break in and your stuff was stolen?
Oh you got mugged and the guy ran away?
Oh your car was stolen?
I mean… sure, the police will show up and write a report…
Investigate anything? Recover your stolen stuff?
Pff, nah.
Once I called them because two guys were beating up a homeless guy. they never showed. They called three hours later and asked if I still needed them to drop by. Their stated policy says that they will show up within 15 minutes if people are in danger. I guess homeless people aren’t people.
If you’re not rich you have to worry about them killing you and/or everybody else at the location.
And if if they don’t shoot you, odds are they’ll do fuck all with your case.
That heavily depends on your location.
Are you not American or just completely oblivious to the current US police problem?
Yes, but only to shoot your dog.