People will vote for what they like, not what’s good faith.

I think we should take another look at Slashdot’s moderation and meta-moderation system:

• Users couldn’t just vote on everything; “modpoints” (upvotes/downvotes, but also with a reason attached) were a limited resource.
• Comments scores were bounded to [-1, 5] instead of being unbounded.
• Most importantly, what wasn’t limited was that users had the opportunity to “meta-moderate:” they would be shown a set of moderation actions and be asked to give a 👍 or 👎 based on whether they agreed with the modpoint usage or not.
• Users would be awarded modpoints based on their karma (how their own comments had been modded by others) and their judgement (whether people agreed or not with their modpoint usage).

Admittedly the exact formula Slashdot used for awarding modpoints was secret to prevent people from gaming it, which doesn’t exactly work for Lemmy, but the point is that I think the idea of using more than one kind of signal to determine reputation is a good one.

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While I would never support it, the main way to improve online discussion is by removing anonymity. Allow me to go back a couple decades and point to John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. People with a reasonable expectation of anonymity turn into complete assholes. The common solution to this is by linking accounts to a real identity in some way, such that online actions have negative consequences to the person taking them. Google famously tried this by forcing people to use their real name on accounts. And it was a privacy nightmare. Ultimately though, it’s the only functional solution. If anti-social actions do not have negative social consequences, then there is no disincentive for people to not take those actions and people can just keep spinning up new accounts and taking those same anti-social actions. This can also be automated, resulting in the bot farms which troll and brigade online forums. On the privacy nightmare side of the coin, it means it’s much easier to target people for legitimate, though unpopular, opinions. There are some “in the middle” options, which can make the cost to creating accounts somewhat higher and slower; but, which don’t expose peoples’ real identities in quite the same way. But, every system has it’s pros and cons. And the linking of identities to accounts

Voting systems and the like will always be a kludge, which is easy to work around. Any attempt to predicate the voting on trusting users to “do the right thing” is doomed to fail. People suck, they will do what they want and ignore the rules when they feel they are justified in doing so. Or, some people will do it just to be dicks. At the same time, it also promotes herding and bubbles. If everyone in a community chooses to downvote puppies and upvote cats, eventually the puppy people will be drown out and forced to go off and found their own community which does the opposite. And those communities, both now stuck in a bias reinforcing echo chamber, will continue to drift further apart and possibly radicalize against each other. This isn’t even limited to online discussions. People often choose their meat-space friends based on similar beliefs, which leads to people living in bubbles which may not be representative to a wider world.

Despite the limitations of the kludge, I do think voting systems are the best we’re going to get. I’d agree with @grue that the Slashdot system had a lot of merit. Allowing the community to both vote on articles/comments and then later have those votes voted on by a random selection of users, seems like a reasonable way to try to enforce some of the “good faith” voting you’re looking for. Though, even that will likely get gamed and lead to herding. It’s also a lot more cumbersome and relies on the user community taking on a greater role in maintaining the community. But, as I have implied, I don’t think there is a “good” solution, only a lot of “less bad” ones.

Is this for an online community like Lemmy, or more oriented towards fixing the credit institutions?

in any case, a credibility metric would soon turn into a goal to achieve ^(karmafarming says what?)^

A metric ceases to be useful when it becomes a goal.

I think mob rule as a moderation system is bad, and having a few power-users in charge is not the worst answer to that.

In my head: you’d have small web of trusts (I can vouch for you, you can vouch your friend, your friend can vouch for me, I must be somewhat trustworthy), and these webs would have some kind of voting power over flagged comments. Of course, that can be gamed…

You’d need to limit the capacity to vote on credibility to people who are members of the community. If you haven’t joined, you can’t make a judgment about what is or isn’t a good faith post, but your own post can be voted by members. Rather than being attached to just the user, it would probably be better if it were referenced to the user per community. Even so, it’s essentially karma, and could probably be gamed.

Otherwise, you’ve just reinvented upvotes.

Why do we need to know how many up or down votes a user has? Assholes usually make themselves known pretty quickly.

I think the practical result would be the same as any existing upvote/downvote system, because people don’t objectively evaluate content for being well researched or thought out or expressed in good faith, they upvote what they like or agree with and downvote what they don’t. They’re going to do that no matter what you tell them to do.

Thank you all for the discussion! I have read all the comments and enjoyed each response and will continue to do so. I came out with pretty much the same feelings as the rest of you…. In an ideal world…

Once again, thank you and good luck to everyone out there…we got this!

You will likely find such a system is ineffective because popular is still only a very limited niche of the total audience. Most people do not vote or actively participate.

Demographics are way more complicated than they first appear. When I was a buyer for a bike shop, the numbers were surprising. Around 65% of my business was all entry level stuff even though all three shops were high end road race and XC. It is easy to believe one understands the audience, but in my experience I only really trust solid numbers and data.

That said, a reputation based system of social hierarchy exists already in academia.

You would need to assess the compromises involved too. Who is not going to post what because of this form of bias. I’m one of those people that will post lots of oddball stuff the piques my curiosity. I would like some engagement, but I don’t care or focus on posting stuff that everyone will like. If some bias takes away all of my engagement for some popularity metric, I migrate somewhere else. I find most popular content humdrum and uninteresting.

One issue specific to the Fediverse is that each instance and each community might have its own standard for what it considers “credible”—and part of another user’s credibility score might come from users on instances with which yours isn’t federated and doesn’t share information.

Just disregard ‘votes’ entirely. What exactly are you hoping to achieve? Do you want “low-credibility” users highlighted in red so you don’t have to bother reading their comments? Have them hidden entirely? Seems like existing tools like blocking and banning already accomplish these goals.