I am looking for a laptop (or a tablet with attachable keyboard) that does not come with or allows for physically removing/disabling/destroying of all wireless connectivity hardware. Something cheap, around 200€ would be nice. I would only use this device for word processing, file management, and creating backups on LUKS encrypted drives. Should be able to run gnu-linux.
The closest thing I was able to find was the pinebook by pine64.org, which has killswitches for wifi and bluetooth. Sadly, these are controlled through software and not through a hardware switch.
Does anyone know of a cheap device with hardware killswitches, or a device that allows removing/destroying wifi and bluetooth components on the motherboard (without breaking)?
EDIT 1:
I am looking to buy a new device, not used, and with good enough performance to run a modern desktop environment such as gnome, kde, or cinnamon.
EDIT 2:
Following the advice of some commenters here, I have looked for models that I like, and tried to find a image/video of the motherboard. So far, every motherboard that I could get an image/video of, had the wifi/bluetooth chip soldered onto the motherboard. If anyone knows a brand that offers cheap laptop with modular mainboards, please let me know.
EDIT 3:
Some people here suggested buying an old ThinkPad. I checked for newer models made by the same company (“Lenovo”), and according to their hardware manual, the “IdeaPad” model also allows removing the wifi card, just like the ThinkPad did.
Here is a link to the manual for anyone who is interested (see page 43): https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles_pub/ideapad_1_hmm.pdf
This solution will work well for my use case and budget. Thanks you all for the advice.
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In most laptops you can remove the WiFi/Bluetooth card if you are ok with a permanent solution.
This would be great, thank you. A permanent solution is what I am looking for. I already looked into removing stuff from the motherboard a bit, and I must have misunderstood something. The information I found was suggesting that this would likely result in the device not functioning anymore.
some laptops don’t have removable wifi cards, few don’t allow you to boot without it installed because of a whitelist
I literally just bought a framework 13 laptop and was poking around in it (because it’s a repairable laptop). It 100% has a removable wireless card, and I was surprised because I assumed those were all soldered onto main boards these days.
Having a removable and upgradable wireless module makes sense given Framework’s ethos. Wifi is being constantly developed with new versions which makes it worthwhile to make upgradable wifi modules. Last time I checked you could even save some money by not including a wireless modules on the Intel models.
Agreed. Now that said, OP didn’t mention WHY he wanted WiFi hardware removed. Due to framework’s philosophy-it would be absolutely trivial to put one back in. Literally five screws.
Like if I was trying to keep a kid off the internet - it would probably fail. I know I’d just buy a card a pop it in when no one was looking. But I’m a rebel like that. :)
My kids would be smart and lazy. USB external wifi card, done 🤣
I know you are looking for new but I know in my ThinkPad T480 the wireless card can be easily removed. It’s not that old, 2018. Still runs modern Linux wonderfully…and is well supported. It would be more than enough to do what you wanted. EBay is a good place to find them.
You can open up just about anything and unplug it
why hardware kill switch? with Linux u can disable them and unload the associated kernel modules. is that not good enough for u?
Disabling it at bios level does not suit your case?
Nitrokey sells laptops that let you remove all wireless connectivity. They are also Qubes OS certified.
I can’t help you with the budget. That’s not enough money to buy a laptop new with that particular functionality.
If you can tolerate getting something older (and your described use case doesn’t sound like it would prohibit an older device!), thinkpads, MacBooks and the like almost always have removable wireless and Bluetooth modules.
These older devices are often a better choice than newer ones because they’re repairable and parts are plentiful and inexpensive. You will be much happier spending $200 on a used t480 or 2012 mbp than you will buying a new computer at that price.
You need to yank the antennas too if you’re really a paranoiac, but if a killswitch would be enough then you’re very clearly not that person.
Come to think of it, would it also be possible to remove (or at least physically disconnect on motherboard) microphone and camera from an ideapad?
You can probably find something cheap from 1998.
I already tried using old hardware that does not come with wifi/bluetooth. The performance was terrible. 5 seconds to open a minimalistic plaintext editor, and I had to use a very simple desktop environment that was almost unusable due to lack of features. I would rather buy something new, with OK performance (and also I like having warranty). I should have made that clearer, sorry. I updated my post.
You gotta use software from 1998, too.
there’s a middle ground between a 2008 laptop and a 2024 laptop lmao, you don’t have to choose one or the other
why do you want a new laptop? you get way better quality and performance for the same price with used ones
