• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    Leftism is to go against the current class order, Liberalism supports it. Leftism isn’t an arbitrary vibe, if you’re pro-Capitalism then you aren’t against Capitalism!

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      Leftism isn’t to go against capitalism though. Leftism broadly refers to the ideology that supports socioeconomic equality. If I’m to remind you of the origin of the terms “left” and “right” as it relates to politics, the terms right and left refer to political affiliations originating early in the French Revolutionary era. “The Left” implied support for republicanism - becoming a republic, and not American republicanism, secularism and civil liberties.

      Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals. Movements for racial equality, as well as trade unionism, have also been associated with the left. Source

      The sort of leftism you Marxist-Leninists advocate for is radical leftism. Social liberalism is still leftist.

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        Leftism broadly refers to the ideology that supports socioeconomic equality

        Then by your own definition Liberalism is right wing! This is ridiculous.

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          You think communism is the only way to advocate for socioeconomic equality?

          Edit: This is a dumb question of course you do. Read the source on political scientists agreeing that social liberalism is leftist. Go ahead and disagree if you want

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            Nope, but advocating for “socioeconomic equality” by advocating for Capitalism, a system based on private accumulation and inequality, is hilariously wrong.

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                Please explain how advocacy for Capitalism is adbocacy for Socioeconomic equality. Please. I’m a Marxist, you’re darn right, but I acknowledge that there are other left positions like Anarchism and Syndicalism. Liberalism is right-wing.

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                  Bro what!! Liberalism is literally considered a left wing ideology by political scientists. It doesn’t matter what you think. You didn’t create this stuff.

                  Social democrats and social liberals are all left wing because these groups advocate for more government intervention which right wingers vehemently oppose. Do you think that the political spectrum only involves markets?

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                    Government intervention isn’t what separates left and right. The Nazis were far-right but had lots of government intervention. According to yourself, left and right is about socioeconomic equality. This includes Syndicalism, Anarchism, and Socialism/Communism, all with varying degrees of government.

                    Explain how Capitalism is Left Wing.