Hi. Microsoft employee here. That’s happening because we don’t give a shit and we are being replaced by folks from India
I hope you’re having an amazing day! I am a windows fan and user, just like YOU! I will do my very best to help you solve your issue. I know you have had a bad experience and it must have been very hard for you. But rest assured, i will help you to the BEST of my ability!
Please try running the troubleshooter.
(troubleshooter doesn’t fix anything)
Try reinstalling windows. Goodbye!
And then they fuck off and stop reponding.
This is every forum response on MS forums, it’s infuriating.
“I have super specific error code with super specific driver that was changed with super specific windows update.”
“Me too!”
“Same, here’s some more info from event viewer”
“Maybe try uninstalling the device”
“Uninstall my WiFi card?”
“Hi I’m bob from Microsoft you should run sfc scan now and that will fix it”
“That didn’t fix it”
“Ok here’s how to reinstall windows”
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As former MSFT employee who just got replaced by India… I’m kind of relieved I’m gone. Working for them felt like working for the bad guys
What did you expect? That corps would solve climate change or what?
The pigs on the very top are secured and that’s enough
As someone working in the Microsoft ecosystem at an MSP, we seriously wonder what the fuck goes on over there. We’re supposed to defend everything y’all do which is getting really hard to justify without sounding like idiots.
Hey there. Learn how to stop carrying. A job doesn’t define who you are and you’re at least free to be anyone outside the working hours.
I learned to be a cog in this inhumane machine in exchange for a paycheck
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This is the third update in like six months that is horribly broken. There was a windows 10 update that wouldn’t install because the recovery partition that Microsoft’s installer created was too small. The prior win 11 update just won’t install for lots of people and there’s no real rhyme or reason. Now this crap.
They just don’t give a shit anymore. Microsoft had a great run folks, time to move on.
I’m honestly waiting for a crowdstrike level BSOD from one of their updates at some point. At that level, corporations would recover in the same way they did from crowdstrike, but consumers who didn’t understand how to roll back, or restore from backup, restore windows, etc would be livid and hopefully it would create some awareness on better understanding and control of the products you buy and use
Except most of those people who don’t know enough to recover most likely also use the default “all your data are belong to OneDrive” and thus won’t lose absolutely everything and no one group of livid people will both be livid enough and big enough at the same time for a lot to change…
Part of my job is keeping all of the endpoints my work manages up to date with patch compliance. I’ve had to create exceptions for the past two windows 11 updates because they won’t run on most machines for no reason. It’s been a pain in the ass. I can’t just add the machines to the exception list without doing basic troubleshooting because “procedure” and I’ve spent so much time doing absolutely unnecessary shit.
I have avoided Win 11 by disabling TPM in BIOS. Because I expect MS would eventually figure out some way to install 11 otherwise.
I’d say they started the misstepping after they “fixed” Vista with windows 7. After that, they tried to hard instead of slow rolling. Windows 10 was good but 11 is just…windows 8 again.
Windows ME was the original mistake edition. It was terrible.
Well yes. But in more recent times for the examples I was giving
The 17th anniversary of vistas release is coming up in January of next year.
Wonder what’s next for Microsoft to fuck up. I was the equivalent of Linux minimal but for windows 11… I guess I want server core.
Its all mostly moot to me. I have a windows 10 drive in my computer. Its full of old games I might move back over and play again. I haven’t booted it at all this year. I work on winblows at work and come home to Linux. Its been that way since for twenty years.
At work I block a lot of ‘telemetry’ including microsoft. I’ve considered a full asn block of microsoft for user machines since I use WSUS. Microsoft has decided to depreciate it. Probably due to me stopping them from installing office 365 trials and copilot garbage. I’m sure I’m not the only one doing that. Far too much garbage for me to trust them at home.
Duuude, my WSUS has been miserable to work with. I switched most of what I can get away with to PDQ deploy. My office setting will not allow copilot or 365. Im doing my W11 deployment this week and last, it’s been fine. But WSUS going down is gonna make things way harder. But apparently it’ll still work, it just won’t be developed anymore.
Microsoft won though …I’m pricing out intune and azure hybrid systems now.
Windows has always had broken versions. The old advice was to always skip every other version.
NT, Millennium, Vista, 8… 10… 11… More misses than hits really. And the bad updates are turning hits into misses.
That list mixes NT kernel OS’s with Win95 OS’s to support a bad hypothesis.
The NT line is:
NT 3.1, NT 3.51, NT 4, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Vista, 7,8, 10.
NT 4, 2000, and XP were all great. Vista was good on good hardware. 7 was good. 8 was bad, 10 good, 11 bad.
If you take the 95 path it’s 95 good, 98 good, Me bad.
The only pattern is 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good, 11 bad.
Anyone who says NT was ever bad is out of their mind. That was the thing that saved Windows since 95’s kernel wasn’t modern. Anything that crashed took the entire system down. Yeah, that was fun times kiddos.
Well 11 is NT as was 8. Although it’s only problem was the UI.
Anything past 98 was/is NT. My point is NT’s kernel is actually quite good, it’s the rest that people complain about.
Me came after 98 and wasn’t NT. There was also 98 SE.
But I agree with you.
Yea I still follow that advice.
All this shit is because some exec had a revelation that windows didn’t need QA anymore.
There was a former employee that talked about it, they moved from actually testing on real hardware to automated VM testing and started missing a lot more
That’s the most generous interpretation
Nothing that cannot be fixed by a Linux install.
For personal computing, sure. For enterprise environment, eh not really.
With the amount of money corporations and governments have spent on Microsoft — the last decade alone — they could have filled the gaps in linux and the annual cost for ITSM would be significantly cheaper. Instead they’ve spent more and have grown far more dependent on proprietary software, they don’t own or control, to manage their core business ops and data; the longer their dependence on SaaS, the more they’ll pay.
The only (larger) enterprises that insist “we depend on Windows” are those with shitty corporate IT :)
It’s an adoption problem. My company only supports windows because all our customers use windows. All our customers use windows because all their vendors only support windows.
Potential solutions:
- move to web-based SW - platform-agnostic, so it’s pretty easy to support other OSes (oh, and you get mobile almost for free)
- start submitting patches to get stuff working on macOS and Linux - once the barrier to supporting other OSes is low enough, they may let you officially support it
I get that there are solutions to the problem, but there’s no way a team of 10 can port 35 years of win32 dependence and keep the business solvent. Maybe incrementally, over the course of 10-15 years. We’re just now migrating off of .NET 4.8 because we use WCF so much.
Depending on the implementation, WCF can be really easy to adapt to new clients. If you wanted to support Linux, macOS, or web, you just implement the part of your service that make sense for those platforms.
I obviously don’t know your app at all, but it sounds like a 10 person dev team could probably build a new app in just a few months since the backend is already there. It wouldn’t have all of the features, but generally speaking it’s a lot easier to rebuild an app than refactor an existing one. Whether that would bring value is another concern entirely.
That’s why I put the (larger) there - if you are a small company maybe you can not keep up a separate office infrastructure from your deployment / test systems in case of SW development. If you are a large enterprise and use Microsoft infrastructure, then either the people making the decisions in IT are getting a lot of bribes, or they are really really stupid :) Or both.
And I mean that absolutely without anger against Microsoft, and purely in terms of security nightmare and waste of office productivity because using a contemporary windows system wastes so much more time of any given user that each desk worker probably loses 20-70% productivity compared to a lean operating system (and that would include something like Windows 2000 / XP).
Yes corpo IT doesn’t have the skills other than buy the easiest options and raise tickets to vendors.
Those people choose to live the techno-dystopia for the sheer convenience of it.
They will just copy whatever the rest of the industry does.
Or if you’re into online gaming.
I have to fend off linux nerds with a bat. The bottom line is “that’s cool and all but there are a lot of things that I can’t do with linux and I’m not willing to make that big of a change”
What are the issues? Genuine question.
Not the person you replied to but they’re probably talking about anti-cheat
I heard there were issues with those, but not sure on the specifics
Most games with anti-cheat refuse to run on Linux even if the anti-cheat itself supports it. And some anti-cheats just don’t work on Linux anyway, I believe the ones that do only support it by just not running when they detect they’re on Linux. If you’re interested you can check which games are supported here: https://areweanticheatyet.com/ but bear in mind it could change at any time (for example Rockstar broke GTAV a few weeks ago)
This is great, thanks for that link!
Pretty much every multiplayer online game will at best lose its shit and not run, and at worst, ban you instantaneously if you try to access it with Linux
And the main issue there tends to be anti-cheat, and that’s a chicken-and-egg problem:
- game devs won’t support Linux/macOS because players don’t use Linux/macOS
- players won’t use Linux/macOS because game devs don’t support it
The more people we can convince to use Linux as a daily driver, the more game devs will notice and the more likely they are to support Linux. We’ve seen a lot of game devs make an effort since the Steam Deck became a thing, and it’s always getting better.
It’s totally fine to dual boot, but spending some amount of time gaming on Linux (where possible) helps send the message that Linux support is wanted and is profitable.
What are the issues? Genuine question.
Man, I’ve been trying to migrate to Linux as my daily driver desktop over the last week. I love Linux passionately. But multi-monitor and 2.5Gb/s NIC support is just a disaster, basically to the point of completely unusable. It’s so frustrating. It keeps pushing me back to Windows, because Windows just works when it comes to hardware.
For multi-monitor: use Wayland. For 2.5Gbps Ethernet NICs, they never work properly on any system in regard to performance, but I presume you are referencing the subpar Realtek NICs not connecting? Depending on the distro, you likely won’t have the driver and/or firmware package preinstalled to make it work.
Yup, and installing the proper driver is usually pretty simple. If you post the hardware (or just the output of
lspci) and your distro, we can probably find the package for you.
those are two of the easiest features to support.
what distro is giving you trouble?
Multi monitor issues are purely on your distro - and are pretty easy to fix. At least for me on arch and bspwm (I haven’t touched a Debian based install or full DE in years), setup was as easy as making my randr script run when my WM starts up, I imagine it’s even easier with a full DE.
For 2.5 gb/s internet… I’ve never run into any problems or even had to configure anything. Fresh barebones arch install with lan, 2.5 gb/s out of the box. If you’re getting less (my guess is 1 gb/s?) it’s almost certainly a hardware issue (motherboard/network card is only 1 gb/s, port on router and/or switch is 1 gb/s, etc)
If you’re having trouble with something, I highly recommend searching for the problem after checking a relevant wiki (archwiki is an awesome resource if you’re on arch). If you’re having issues you can’t find problems to, feel free to shoot me a message and I’ll try to help you out. I’m no expert, but I’ve been exclusively on Linux for 3 years (since I graduated and no longer was required to be on windows at all) and haven’t run into any issues that I didn’t find a relatively easy fix for)
This is very true. I remember back in the day I tossed my old drive full of viruses and windows and I started using Linux. That was 1998? No, it was definitely 2000 already. That was a really easy erase. I guess you could also just reuse the same drive. But that one has the click of death, so no.
You could fit an entire modern OS in that space, together with all the drivers, a web browser, an office suite, graphics editor, an IDE and a compatibility layer for running Windows applications.
Yup, my Linux install is a bit over 10GB, which honestly surprises me and means I probably should clean stuff up, because usually my Linux base install is around 8GB. After a quick look, I have several old versions of compilers and runtimes that can be cleaned up w/o breaking anything.
I can’t imagine thinking that an 8GB cache is fine, and that’s nothing compared to the size of the rest of the OS…
Wasn’t this reported as being a result of the preview build?
It was released. Did you read the article?
Yeah, but don’t get in the way of the Windows evil, Linux savior movement here on lemmy or you’ll get downvoted to oblivion. Pointing out simple facts apparently means you’re a shill.
At least that’s what I’ve seen in all the Windows posts over the last couple months. Not sure what changed from before that, but something definitely did.
Not sure what changed from before that, but something definitely did.
People got fed up with Microsoft putting undeletable 9-gigabyte cache files on their systems? And AI junk that screenshots everything you do? And surveillance? And making the OS more hostile and worse in general with every release?
Lemmy exists because people got fed up with the corporate analogue. You’ll see a lot of the same sentiment in other matters too.
I’m just pointing out that it’s a sudden and extreme change in commentary with no ramp up. The kind of thing that in other contexts, like politics, often comes from something like a coordinated attack or disinformation scheme.
Real world testing of a new propaganda campaign system on a topic most users don’t give a shit about (Windows vs Linux), in a niche corner of the internet (Lemmy), isn’t exactly an unlikely scenario.
I remember the browser wars, that’s when microsoft exposed themselves how shitty they were to the world IMO.
That’s a long time ago. Years and years.
The ramp up started then, IMO.
Hold my beer while I boot to linux.
